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Hey guys, Chris and Mike and welcome back after a long.
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Awaited pause to the Metro a podcast.
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What's new this week, Mike. Dude, we got a big one coming at
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you. We're back on the Mitch rap pod
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for some incredible news. I'm amped up.
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Why don't you Chris? Just tell the people what we're
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doing here tonight on the podcast.
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We're going to try to figure out the title of the crack the code
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to reveal the title for rap 22. So and what was the first
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gimmicky almost a gimmicky? They've all been fun.
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What was the first like thing? That David came up with the,
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like lead up to the title reveal.
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I know they did the Ambassador stuff going back to the Survivor
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and you, and I didn't really catch on until red War lethal
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agent. But the first one, I remember
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vividly was you had to pick out scenes from those trailers.
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Those little videos they made under covid-19, right?
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It related to a novel in the past and then you put the words
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together from the old novel names.
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There has been some good ones throughout the years.
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Yeah. In the The last one was you had
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to name the all the title Enemy at the gates?
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Was has been in ever like is a amalgam of boards from other
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titles, right? So that that year was confusing
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and people were people were really confused partially due to
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us, but it was that the code whatever the code was was words
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from past novels. Oh God.
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And then the code got you, the reveal just like this.
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So everyone had thought the new title had to have words from the
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old title but it turned out that was a trick and it didn't.
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Don't it just helped us crack the code for anyone who's
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totally lost. There's a huge social media
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presence, led by David Brown, and the team at atria books from
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Simon & Schuster. And James, does a great job with
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the Vince Flynn, calm accounts on Twitter at Vince Flynn, calm,
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and all the social media Buzz about the new book leads to a
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reveal every year, some online game with the users.
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A little bit of fun and interaction before, boom.
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Drop the title and Chris, sometimes, the reveal game also
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has the cover and some, here's the cover comes later.
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I've got some Insider info for you here.
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I didn't want to tell you till we're on the Pod, I'm relatively
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sure. And I heard from a trusted
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Source, once we Crack the Code, we get the title, the cover.
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And the synopsis dude, we're getting synopsis and the live on
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the phone. Well, I live on the bod neither
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of us have Tried to crack the code yet.
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We've been off social media for the day.
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So well, that's a lie. I did try to crack the code, but
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I try to cracked it before it was live.
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And before you said you wanted to do it on the pot it's a nice
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top. Got you got you?
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Yeah. We've got some hardcore fans to
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two of our patrons. They were abuzz about this and
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Rod actually texted me. He had tried every single URL
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with the code because you type the code in as a URL and only
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one of them. He didn't tell me, which I told
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him stop right there. Don't want to know, but only one
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of them had a domain name that was claimed.
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So he knew what it was early before the game was live.
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Now that's hardcore dedication, right?
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That is that is very hardcore and then Kev, Kev be who we've
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heard on the Pod. When we were covering the
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terminal list in the Jack Car Series, Kev went ahead and made
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an HTML document that had all the URLs with every possible
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combination. So when the game get when live,
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he can just go down the list, clicking them.
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So, our patrons are dedicated some of the best Mitch wrap and
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Thriller fans out there. It's kind of tedious.
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You know, when I was trying to do it, like, especially with
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like executive and transfer, like, putting the dash between
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each one dedicated people So Chris why don't you inform the
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listeners? What else has been going on,
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aside from the mid trap stuff on our other podcast feeds?
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Right. So I think we said next time we
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come on the mystery iPod, we were going to do a giveaway.
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My hold you to that, Mike. Well, I talked to Ryan.
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So yeah, the last episode you guys heard from us here on this
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feed was with Ryan Stack. We're after his book fields
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fields of fire came out so we're still looking to give away two
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copies of that but we're going to hold off on announcing that
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until we have him back because we're definitely trying to book
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him sometime in the next month or two.
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And when we have them back will reveal the winners for the Is of
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his first book fields of fire and will also be able to play up
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his. I believe it's a summer release
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of book to lethal range. So, yeah, our giveaway for our
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patrons and our listeners will definitely come once we have
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Ryan back. Okay.
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Alright so anyways what we've been doing on the other pods the
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other pod we've now finished up all of James race series by Jack
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car. We even were delighted to have
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on a superfan Tyler boo. Seward discuss that look the
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last three books with him as well as you discuss the multiple
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times the TV series, so go check that out.
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If you've read Jack car, keep up to date is book will be coming
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out in May, I believe we just did a quick little mini pod to
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talk about the experience, exciting news of the renewal of
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terminal List. Season, 2: True Believer, I
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didn't see that. Is that, is that the true?
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Yeah, well, yeah. We did a little recording when
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they drop the season 2 news and they've come out after the fact
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saying it's going to be called True Believer.
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Terminal is season 2, True Believer.
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So you bet you will be covering that on the podcast, definitely,
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and which was a very surprised. Nugget was not expecting to get
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this, but the Ben Edwards, Taylor Kitsch spin-off, prequel,
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Dude, huge news, huge news. Very excited.
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Not only have we finished Jack car, but we've also finished all
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of Chris. Howdy we've also covered a lot
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of Andrews and Wilson. Mainly by Mike, I need to up my
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game and get on those pots but we have a lot of good content on
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the theropod go check it out. That's War mainly serving twice
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you know, twice a month, bringing you something that you
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know can be can go deep into a series or we can hop around in
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different things and we actually we have a couple episodes in the
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future. We're going to be moving into
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some new territories like the one about the Bear, right?
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Yeah. Connor Sullivan Sleeping Bear.
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He's got a second coming, we did David McCloskey's, Damascus
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station and have him on. There's a really cool article
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actually just forget what paper published it.
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But an interview with David, McCloskey called The Spy, Who
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Came in from Damascus because he spent his time working on Syria
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as an Intel officer. So really good interview with
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him and we got to do one on the podcast and then don't forget,
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Chris. I think one of the best parts of
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No Limits. The Thriller podcast feed is
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your interview with a consultant who works in both Hollywood.
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And with other organizations about women in the CIA, and she
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has her own book about raising kids being a case officer in the
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cia's her career, and how women in the CIA are often portrayed
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in movies books me. Media and I thought your
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interview with her was just fantastic.
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So go check that out. Subscribe, No Limits.
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The Thriller podcast. We've got books, TV, movies,
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interviews, tons of stuff going on.
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They're all related to The Thrill of verse So if that's not
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enough for you, we also have season 2 of No Limits the Scott
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Harvest lifecast where wow, it came.
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The we finished eighth book so far, we're about to tackle the
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ninth and I believe Mike, you text me today.
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I think I have my new favorite breadth or book.
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I wrapped up the apostle that book, it's special.
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I originally had it may be in my top ten for sure.
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It's absolutely, it's pushing for the top breath or Of all
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time as of now, we're eight books in, so there's more to
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come. But right now, I think it jumps
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to the top. I can't wait to cover that next
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month. Actually, we probably gonna do
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that next week. Is that we're going to record
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that? So, yeah, that's right.
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That's right. We'll have that out in February
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for you. Also though on the Scott Horvath
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podcast, we had a banger of an episode when The Deadfall title
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and book cover was released that's going to be book number
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22 in the Scott Harvest series. A man, I love projecting and
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guessing it what's going to go on in that book because it's
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taking place in Ukraine. And it was so much fun.
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Did you see what Brad even said he tweeted at us and he
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retweeted our episode. He said quote these guys might
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be onto something very clever and thought-provoking sleuthing
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give it a listen. We are being backed by the man.
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Brad Thor himself right there. Give it a listen, says he that
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is he that that's funny. Yeah, we were onto something.
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I think we got the plot pretty close in our predictions.
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So, good luck. Pretty close.
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Oh, and Chris, you know what I'm working on?
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What more initiative. You're always you're always
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working on something like you always work on something like
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one more initiative this is going to be a patron.
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Only series I'm working on Mike's Mitch moments, making a
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list of I originally said, top 10 of my favorite Mitch Moments.
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I had to expend a 15 plus some honorable mentions so it's
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really going to be the approximately 18 to 20 of Mike
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stop Mitch moments and I'll do a little mini Patron, only podcast
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series counting down and recapping my favorite moments
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with Mitch. So some action, some personal,
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but all the scenes, I really liked with Mitch.
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All right, I have to listen to this.
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Maybe I can join you for a, for a, see how to become a patron,
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to be able to listen to them. Chris Fair enough.
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Fair enough. Just go on our Philip i.com.
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Click that little I'll get the orange button support us on
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patreon. You ready to crack the code?
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Dude. Let's do it.
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Let's do it. Alright, so me and Mike have
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come with, what we believe is our top five.
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Most likely words and we have any now.
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We don't have any overlaps interesting now.
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So one of us is going to get there first and see the title
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and the cover for. I guess we give a spoiler.
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Warning will also one of us could also like, none of these
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can be correct. Right, right, right.
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Going to be here for a long time.
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It's just the rat race. I'll have to speed up the
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Boarding, you know. Like I'll put in one of those
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drawers. Yeah.
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Sound effects, I guess a spoiler warning though, right?
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Like as soon as we crack the code and we if again you want to
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play along with crack the code, go to Vince flynn.com and you
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could see everything there. But we're going to crack the
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code and you are going to hear our first reactions to the neck
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strap title next, wrap cover and book synopsis.
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All right. Get those fingers ready?
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Here we go. All right.
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I tried power. It's not agent.
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It's not power, it's not honor. It's not loyalty.
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It's not measures. Code protect.com.
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It's not protect. Did you get it?
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I got it. Oh shit.
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I'm gonna do your list so it's not me.
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It's gotta be red. You were right.
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You said Code Red from the beginning.
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That was your guess where you write?
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I was right. It just as soon as when I you
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you had all of the titles you were right?
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And as I'm reading it, you know, I wasn't thinking about like it
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being a phrase. And then like I just see red red
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war and I'm like oh go ahead. Oh my God, there's a video of
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Kyle you read. What's the name?
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It's the novel, dude, code, red is a nano coating is the title
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code. Red is the code and the title.
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Yeah, you. So he wasn't, you told me?
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Was it this A, I didn't think it would be because they tricked
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us. Oh my God, the cover looks like
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red War, dude. He's going back.
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He's going back to Russia. We're going to Russia.
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We're gonna get Grisha. Again, what is God?
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It looks like a heart. The capital is upside down.
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The skyline. Is it Moscow?
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I'm guessing right? Code red art.
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I got to read this. Just listen to Kyle, always good
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to hear from him. Oh yeah, let me, let me play the
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video. All right now, I gotta dig, I
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get to read this. Got to read this Mitch rap
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returns to make a mortal enemy of Russia in this High Octane
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and up-to-the-minute installment in the number one.
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New York Times. Best selling series, May trap
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hate owing anyone a favor. Especially, when it, it's the
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world's most powerful climbable Prime Lord, but when Damien
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llosa calls, rap is HonorBound to answered a Milos await.
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Is he from lethal agent? Damian llosa was from lethal
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agent and he made an appearance in oath of loyalty, right?
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He called him up as a is either a friend or an insurance policy
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over something. I think maybe going o to help
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them with with the, with the bombing alone had gone up the
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mountain. Yeah.
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Yeah. Right.
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So he met him in Lethal agent was Damien.
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Llosa the one who tried hiring him.
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He tried hiring him when he was like at the other crime, Lords
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like Bryce, and then for the Guatemala up in oath of loyalty,
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he pulled some strings and call them back.
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So, rapo set essentially. Yeah.
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And it's this character that you could kind of tell that Kyle has
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wanted to do something more with and has never had an opportunity
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to, you know, and now I obviously he's got a chance to
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do it, it's almost like since Grisha, you know, Kyle wants to
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make another one of those friend and foe, you know, not black and
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white but kind of great writing characters, right?
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And this is his opportunity to play in that sandbox.
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The Syrian government appears to have created a highly addictive,
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new narcotic that it plans to distribute throughout Europe.
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It's a major threat to lose his business and he's determined to
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send someone to keep him on top by any means.
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Necessary. All right, so Mitch is doing a
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drug lords, Dirty Work, dude? That sounds like Rising Phoenix.
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One of Kyle's earlier premature at books, right?
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Right. A narcotic Supply and some guy
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laced, it Rap is the perfect choice for the mission.
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Not only does he have extensive experience operating in the
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Middle East, but he's also entirely Expendable.
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Yeah, he has no cover, right? And it's going to have any cover
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it working for a, you know, a Crime Boss.
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No. And like where he's left like
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his relationship with the government, right?
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You know. It's yeah.
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Doesn't have many friends. Right?
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What's the role of Irene? Kennedy in any of this?
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Yeah, that's what I'm so confused about.
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Maybe it's like an Irene, you know?
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No Irene book. We've seen some of those.
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We're like, she's just like sort of put towards the back burner,
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you know, may be called in for one or two chapters.
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As he crosses into war-torn Syria rap quickly, discovers a
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shocking truth. The new drug isn't being
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produced by Damascus to prop up the government's collapsing
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finances instead, it was created by Russia's asymmetrical Warfare
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unit, not-for-profit, but as a weapon against the West, With
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far more than Damian Lewis, has interest at stake.
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Wrap devises, a desperate plan that forces him and his team in
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onto the battlefield where the United States is virtually
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powerless and allegiances shift, almost hourly further if Russia
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and covers their plot, it will set off a confrontation between
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the two countries that could change the course of human
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history. Dude, something nefarious is
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going on. Whoa, interesting area I'm
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interruptions in Syria. Huh, is this out there, dude?
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That that plot is it's out there.
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It's different. It's very different.
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A drug. Is this like fentanyl?
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So it's like you're taking fentanyl, you're combining it
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with a failed State and your including Russian Shady
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business. All in one.
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I'll get the addictive new narcotic.
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I'm guessing he's trying to play on the fentanyl epidemic and
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like how I'm relatively. Sure, the Chinese are basically
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using our porous borders to flood us with it and ruin
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everybody, right? And then you combine open border
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type policies and whatnot and handcuffing like police and
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whatnot. And you just have a recipe for
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disaster. Yeah, and you have these
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doctors, and these pill Mills I do, have you read that?
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That story about the pill Mills in Florida, those two brothers
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who like made millions of dollars, no, but isn't there a
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TV show? Also like affects your one of
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those did yet. Of course like the FBI went
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after them because they're low hanging fruit instead of like
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trying to go after you know, I don't know the front.
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Well I guess now they're going after the pharmaceutical
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companies are like CVS but Anyways.
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Yeah, it seems like he's that scratch his itch to bring this
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into, you know, into his Thrillers.
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Interesting, didn't did not see this coming at all, didn't see
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it coming at all. It's like loose ends of lethal
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agent, kind of liked Mitch in Mexico, with the drug cartels.
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Like it was kind of cool, but never really finished, right?
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And then read War, the Russia stuff with the downfall of crew.
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Upin, we didn't think that was finished because there was that
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other guy, you know, who is almost more dangerous than
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crouppen who was poised to take over.
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He's up, he'll various actors, he was killed but I'm saying
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elements like that. Right.
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That in a group unless Russia or a post Putin era, what if those
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more Rogue more extremist elements come out to play, you
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know, it always always seemed weird how he I cannot weird but
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like He switched from Red War to lethal, agent it going down this
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path of like one-offs, you know, lethal agent than total power.
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Then we kind of got like a two book Arc with enemy and oath and
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now we're like we're going back to that order to kill because
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what ordered was gracious in order to kill?
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And then he would rather he was wraps friend right in An Enemy
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of the State. Yeah.
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And then they work together like right.
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So he owed wrap her like he didn't over a bit like him and
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him and I were trying to kill each other and order order to
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kill the ending, is that fight out in the Arabian oil fields
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with Russian rap and then an enemy, they work together, but
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for rap sake, and in red War, they work together.
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But for gracious, sake for gracious, and then oath of
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loyalty Grisha is basically chilling with that babe in the
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Caribbean islands, but he calls rap to tip them off that.
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There's somebody taking out A contract on right Claudia,
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right? Any any tips him off about
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Legion, but gracious out of the game.
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I, yeah. I don't expect him to come back
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here. I feel like a phone call in a
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little like, I would put to bed. Yeah directly.
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Yeah, it's likeéoh, I'm not getting back into it.
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I just want you to know this final bit of information.
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Call it even, you know, that's all we do for each other.
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Now, So who I could see that we could feature heavily?
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Then let me ask you the big question.
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We called it the elephant in the room.
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Last time we talked to Kyle, Marcus, are we getting Marcus?
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It's been a while. I don't know.
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I feel like we gotta get Marcus like, what house got involved.
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Yes. What's happening with Ana?
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Claudia? Kennedy.
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Wait. Because they're in Namibia.
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Last. We saw them.
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Is that correct? Were they?
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Right there still hiding out in the sand dunes and Mmm.
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What's klaudia gonna think of this little side adventure for
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Mitch Ike, I feel some friction because it's just go like it,
00:22:04
that Namibia scene was about settling down.
00:22:07
And after the trauma of South Africa, trying to get back to
00:22:10
normalcy, you know, for Anna's sake and he's going to have to
00:22:16
feel HonorBound to go work for a Crime Boss, where nothing really
00:22:22
is in it for him to be. Honest, besides saving America,
00:22:26
from some sort of drug epidemic that could bring us down.
00:22:30
What what state does Mitch have to get involved in this and
00:22:34
Claudia isn't from her perspective, is not going to be
00:22:36
happy about that. Yeah, is it more?
00:22:42
Just so that like he owes him this one favor, so he has to do
00:22:46
whatever he says, like that just is it going to be like this?
00:22:49
As I'm out after this. Like he's going to try to
00:22:53
convince her. This is my last hurrah.
00:22:55
Yeah. And then but then he realizes
00:22:57
that it's much more than what he originally thought it was right.
00:23:05
It's it is intriguing. I'm intrigued.
00:23:08
It's intriguing is different. I don't know, it's so strange
00:23:14
because we're just coming off. I'm just coming off reading the
00:23:17
Apostle and that book was almost a 180 compared to what this
00:23:21
sounds like. You know, we're going to
00:23:23
Afghanistan. It's hunt the terrorist hostage
00:23:26
rescue. We're on the ground.
00:23:28
You know the war against the Taliban like everything is.
00:23:31
So like cookie cutter for the Thriller genre and that book
00:23:34
like kind of almost like the last man, you know, Mitch
00:23:36
running around Afghanistan, you know, all these different
00:23:39
factions who are trying to screw you over And it was so typical
00:23:43
this age Thriller code, red does not sound that way at all.
00:23:48
It's funny. Like when I was reading the
00:23:50
Apostles of apostle, I thought like This is the most.
00:23:56
Mitch wraps got harvest book. You're a bitch like Vince when
00:24:00
he was Brad, breadth or book that I've read so far.
00:24:04
It was the last man. I felt like, I was reading the
00:24:06
last man. Yeah.
00:24:08
This one sounds like, you know, where, where island-hopping
00:24:12
we're going around. I have to deal with.
00:24:14
It's just different. You know I think like we've got
00:24:17
us at this before. It seems like guy likes to try
00:24:20
new things. He likes to change it up, knock
00:24:24
it, I get bored and I could stale you know Something new.
00:24:27
So I'm here for it. I'll read it.
00:24:29
We'll see how it goes. We'll talk about.
00:24:32
Syria are trying to figure out like war-torn Syria, the
00:24:38
Russians are using them, too. Be like a scapegoat for
00:24:42
Designing this weapon that they really designed.
00:24:44
This, this drug, I don't know. Did we miss the boat on Syria?
00:24:48
I feel like that's something. I talked to, with David
00:24:52
McCloskey who not only worked for the CIA as intelligence
00:24:55
officer on the Syria unit, but his book took place smack in the
00:25:00
middle of the Syrian Civil War. And he was like, it's a
00:25:04
different area. Now, the Syria I worked on in
00:25:06
the CIA and the early 2010's mid-2010 s is not the Syria of
00:25:12
the mid 2020s. And I'm calling it.
00:25:17
So the revolution isn't as in your face, right?
00:25:20
The, the violence isn't Damascus.
00:25:23
Has calm down. I'm sure it's a spy's Haven
00:25:25
still. But in terms of the violence
00:25:28
around every corner and in other corners of the country, maybe we
00:25:33
just hear about it less in the west, but I'm pretty sure the
00:25:35
Dynamics of it are less. You know, like remember when
00:25:39
like Aleppo was being surrounded and bombed out and it was in the
00:25:43
news every week, you know, right different attacks and where we
00:25:46
going to send fighter jets I feel like it's not that Focus
00:25:49
anymore. Which makes it a good scapegoat
00:25:53
for Russia to use and say, hey Sharon, hind the scenes this
00:25:57
whole time they were working on this.
00:26:01
Bio weapon, I guess maybe you can call a drug that, I don't
00:26:03
know, but I want to see how he wants to go with it.
00:26:07
But if it's highly addictive, you know, it's like, you know,
00:26:10
it's going to spread as if it were some sort of bioweapon.
00:26:13
Yeah, this, this one little nugget in, like the Instead it
00:26:20
was created by Russia's asymmetrical.
00:26:23
Warfare unit, not-for-profit, but as a weapon against the
00:26:27
West, Russia just wants cover for Designing.
00:26:31
This thing to be able to make it look like they didn't.
00:26:36
So, Mitch is going to have to track down those leads, right?
00:26:38
He's going to have to uncover. Who in the Russian government
00:26:42
faked the series. So he's going to have to go to
00:26:44
Syria but quickly learned, it wasn't the syrians behind this
00:26:47
after all right? All right, I think at least some
00:26:54
questions. But what do you think about this
00:26:57
cover? What's your first thought?
00:26:59
We haven't even talked about the cover.
00:27:02
Screams red War. You know.
00:27:06
Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know if I love it.
00:27:17
My first reaction was a good one and then I'm kind of coming down
00:27:20
off that high. I like the flip-flop.
00:27:22
I like the you know it adverse Moscow.
00:27:27
D.c. That's cool.
00:27:30
Yeah it's red. Maybe it's I don't love the of
00:27:33
the lettering in the color of Code Red.
00:27:37
Yeah. Is that why I'm everything else?
00:27:40
I kind of like, but I just don't love like the Yellow.
00:27:45
I'm trying to figure out the gray, the yellow and the red
00:27:49
ever suits. Who told us his Tyler.
00:27:53
The 6030 10 rule. Yeah 6030 10.
00:27:56
It's not happening here. Maybe the 60 in Black.
00:28:00
Right? 60, we have a second degree
00:28:02
black, but then it's like 20, 20, the red, and the yellow.
00:28:06
I don't know which one is supposed to be more dominant.
00:28:09
The red, there's more red. The rasim red.
00:28:12
Yeah, then there's a lot of stuff in yellow too.
00:28:17
And then slim, is it a different color?
00:28:19
And this one is in Gray, do you see the like spores, do you
00:28:23
think that's supposed to look like the drug?
00:28:25
It almost looks like a Coke pile or whatever, you know.
00:28:29
Those little spores sprinkled about.
00:28:31
Oh yeah, yeah, it's like fuzzy, you know?
00:28:35
Right. Right.
00:28:36
And why is it or is that like blood?
00:28:40
Yeah, I thought it was a heart. Like it honestly looks like a
00:28:43
heart. Which maybe the drug has
00:28:45
something to do with. Oh yeah.
00:28:49
What's the biological system involving blood in the heart
00:28:52
pumping circulatory. Yeah, you're like cardiovascular
00:28:57
system, you know, if that is a heart on the Apple watch and
00:29:02
like, other heart rate monitors, it kind of has that graphic with
00:29:06
the heart pumping and I feel like it has those little, I
00:29:10
don't know. It does kinda look at heart when
00:29:13
I zoom out, you're right. I don't know why I'm keep
00:29:17
coming. I keep coming back to that.
00:29:20
Our code red thoughts on that. That is a title.
00:29:24
I like the title lat. I like the title.
00:29:26
Yeah, I think it's cool title. It's a badass title actually.
00:29:30
I think it. Yeah, is the title going to
00:29:32
reflect the story that's question. it sounds like it man
00:29:40
like It sounds like it could I wonder?
00:29:45
Hmm. I'll tell you one thing.
00:29:48
I cannot wait to talk to Kyle about this one.
00:29:52
It's probably going to have to be after at least after we get
00:29:55
the advanced reader copies and probably right around the time
00:29:59
of publication. Oh yeah definitely that's going
00:30:03
to be huge. What okay what do you think we
00:30:05
didn't even bring it up the cooks and Nicholas.
00:30:07
Ward is it going to be a cold turkey elections done, new
00:30:11
president. Or he was, he resigned, is it
00:30:16
going to be the VP? Is it going to be a new regime?
00:30:19
Look what's going on here, you know, there's a, there's a lot
00:30:22
of questions to follow up. It will be interesting to see if
00:30:26
he does. Josh brush brush, you know, mu
00:30:30
click quickly, addresses a moves on some addresses, some he
00:30:34
doesn't moves on or, you know, some of them act actively become
00:30:40
part of the story. If we get a new president, Is
00:30:42
involved. Or Mitch is involved with a new
00:30:46
president at all. Yeah, I really wanted something.
00:30:50
You know, now that I like, you know, by the time I was high on
00:30:54
oath and enemy. Yeah, I just like there was so
00:30:59
much more to do with the cooks. Me too, me, too, and Nicholas
00:31:05
Ward. You could have had the three of
00:31:07
them be this triangle of angst for books?
00:31:12
Yeah, you could have given me, Me 78 books like that in that
00:31:15
regime especially because Alexander lasted so long, you
00:31:20
know. All right.
00:31:20
Yeah, I'm okay with a slowing down and seeing the entire term
00:31:25
or two of a presidency. Do you think there's a chance to
00:31:30
play on the idea that It's like Gerald.
00:31:33
Ford was the only president to never have been elected.
00:31:37
Because he was appointed vice president and then with Nixon's
00:31:41
resignation became president, he think there's something like
00:31:46
when cook resigns. The VP takes it.
00:31:50
There's some Intrigue about or conflict over who he appoints as
00:31:56
the VP and then that person becomes president down the road
00:31:59
and we have a president who was never elected by the American
00:32:02
public. That'd be kind of cool because
00:32:04
it only happened once in history.
00:32:06
So to play with that, I think would be a Well idea or hey man
00:32:09
we might just jump to a whole new name that we never even
00:32:12
heard of and boom. That's a new president for the
00:32:15
for the short term or at least the near future.
00:32:17
Wait to remind me Ford wasn't didn't wasn't running mates with
00:32:20
Nixon. No Spiro Agnew was the vice
00:32:25
president. I forget what happened to him.
00:32:27
I think he Yeah, he resigned under some controversy first,
00:32:33
and so Nixon replaced him with Ford who was in the house.
00:32:38
And so, he simply went from being a representative to really
00:32:42
pointed, and, and Senate confirmed for VP.
00:32:45
And then with Nixon's resignation becoming president.
00:32:47
He came from, he was, he was he never want a general election
00:32:50
for the presidency? That's crazy.
00:32:53
I don't do that. Yeah, and he was also an eagle
00:32:56
scout who lived about a mile and a half away from me.
00:32:58
So, Gerald is Gerald, our Ford parks in Alexandria, was the
00:33:04
only president for one, the rest of Nixon's term.
00:33:07
Yeah, I believe he only served out that term.
00:33:12
And anyway, get away from code red here.
00:33:16
But who knows, man? We were just talking
00:33:18
presidential transitions. Boom.
00:33:21
The James re series which a car something's coming with only the
00:33:24
dead. We're dealing with a new
00:33:26
president. Post Rutledge in Scott.
00:33:29
Harvey with where we are in that series.
00:33:32
We know the cooks were transition and we kind of liked
00:33:35
what was done in Lethal agent, which also seemed a bit hurried
00:33:38
with Christine Barnett. She was a presidential
00:33:42
candidate. I, I wouldn't mind an election
00:33:45
book and a transition book. So, if we belittle the transfer
00:33:49
of power, like with Cooks resignation coming towards the
00:33:52
end of oath of loyalty. if we kind of belittle that transition
00:33:58
or just jump to something and get a paragraph of backstory, I,
00:34:03
I don't know, man. I want an election book.
00:34:05
I might be upset. I'm going to be upset and this,
00:34:08
I agree. And this synopsis doesn't
00:34:10
mention an election. Doesn't mention the cooks.
00:34:12
No, not at all. I will about Nicholas Ward, man,
00:34:17
like are we going to see anything with Ian Kennedy and
00:34:20
the relationship we have to He wasn't really in the last book
00:34:24
either, right? He wasn't no but he was so good
00:34:28
in Enemy at the gates. Yeah.
00:34:32
I don't know why I feel like this is going to be like almost
00:34:34
about like a bottle book even though.
00:34:36
Yeah, you know, we have like bottle episodes.
00:34:38
This feels like bottle book to me.
00:34:40
Total power, was that for me? So yeah, this could be.
00:34:45
Could be another one. All right, all right.
00:34:49
Well I was hoping to be a little more excited.
00:34:53
I'm not here. Let's I'm just giving it to you
00:34:57
rock, be giving it to you. It's not be Debbie.
00:34:59
Downers Mike. I'm excited too code.
00:35:02
Red is a cool name. Cool name.
00:35:04
Good name. I like that.
00:35:05
We're going back. We're doing we're doing some
00:35:07
Russia stuff which is cool. Yep.
00:35:10
You could see that like the war has now it's been a year since
00:35:14
the war for almost two years. So obviously here.
00:35:17
Yeah, both of these authors have been thinking about it, and
00:35:21
they've decided to both Brad and Kyle to put it back in center
00:35:25
stage in there and their novels. So we'll see.
00:35:29
We'll see. Who does it better?
00:35:32
Who doesn't? But I still don't know why
00:35:35
China? I don't know why.
00:35:37
These authors, this whole genre is shying away from the China
00:35:40
talk. I'm Brad.
00:35:41
Kinda did it with rad. Kinda did it.
00:35:43
But now he's like, yeah, going away.
00:35:44
I thought he was gonna go hard into China.
00:35:46
I thought so too. I thought like, you know
00:35:48
punches. Yep.
00:35:51
No Holds. Barred a Trilogy.
00:35:53
You know, a three-peat of the China stories.
00:35:56
I really maybe Ukraine is going to be that one off diversion and
00:36:00
then we go back to China because China hopes and slightly
00:36:03
involved in the last last couple, but definitely Rising
00:36:07
tiger. Now we're excited.
00:36:10
We're excited here on the mid trap pot.
00:36:12
Yeah, no you know what? The cover just bumped up for me,
00:36:15
I thought of something. You know how we love the oath of
00:36:19
loyalty cover because it brought in like a new era and it was so
00:36:22
modern. Yeah code red follows up on the
00:36:26
oath of loyalty. You know, the line of covers
00:36:31
that that one could usher in these very modern, minimalist
00:36:35
simplistic, and also this verticality, remember oath of
00:36:38
loyalty that, that melting kind of flag that tattered flag is,
00:36:42
is very vertical. And I feel like that's that's
00:36:45
happening here. These Enemy at the gates was a,
00:36:48
the cover was about with. I think these last two are very
00:36:52
vertical. I don't know if that means
00:36:53
anything, but if visually it has some consistency.
00:36:58
Yeah, you're right. You're right?
00:37:00
Just I'm just excited. We don't have a running man.
00:37:03
So dude, I can't wait to see cover.
00:37:05
See for this one baby covers? See let's go.
00:37:11
Do you think they have the British version yet or the of
00:37:14
the Australian version European version?
00:37:16
Whatever, like Germany at what stage?
00:37:18
Do you think they get those? Whenever the pre-orders go on on
00:37:23
sale for. So the pre-order like you could
00:37:24
click on that and it'll take you to the Amazon page and it's the
00:37:27
it's up there. So so it's there already on the
00:37:30
Amazon. Yeah.
00:37:33
But interesting you can't just go to Amazon and and search May
00:37:38
trap 22 it. Nothing comes up.
00:37:40
So you can relive, they've like blocked, it only go through this
00:37:45
website. So I just went to amazon.co.uk.
00:37:52
Let's see, code red. The Commonwealth Nope, red War
00:37:58
just came up, total pillar amazon.co.uk.
00:38:02
You can see all the international covers.
00:38:04
Oh, this is cool. I never thought about doing it
00:38:06
this way, but it doesn't have code read yet.
00:38:09
So we'll have to keep an eye out and as soon as they like release
00:38:12
the title on the like the newsletter, it's no longer like,
00:38:17
you know, part of this this game, then let's go to Amazon,
00:38:21
co.uk and see if we have the international cover and then we
00:38:24
have a another episode. We could talk about it.
00:38:27
Yeah, from what I'm seeing right now.
00:38:29
You can't even pre-order the UK version.
00:38:31
It's just not there. Unless like you're saying, it's
00:38:33
a specific link. That's not published out yet,
00:38:37
right? You mentioned the newsletter.
00:38:39
Kyle, had another, really good predicting the future
00:38:43
newsletter. Did you see that one?
00:38:45
No, I haven't read that one yet. Yeah, he just kind of summarized
00:38:49
2022. And you know, how a lot of the
00:38:52
events of late relate to his, his past storylines.
00:38:56
And you know, updates on things that he wrote about that are
00:39:00
coming true. However, I don't remember much
00:39:03
rap ever having to single-handedly, take down a
00:39:06
Chinese spy, Balloon by using brass knuckles and a jetpack.
00:39:10
So I guess not everything in his books is coming true.
00:39:16
Let's, let's see. Maybe we see that in this next
00:39:18
book. You want to do a spin-off
00:39:21
episode? How would my trap, take down the
00:39:23
Chinese by balloon? Do I saw a lot of people
00:39:26
tweeting About that. Like about Mitch rap, what what
00:39:29
what would Miss wrapped it? Maybe it's because I follow a
00:39:31
lot of people who like my trap. So you know why it was far Kyle
00:39:37
Mills and breadth or you know weren't on social media for the
00:39:40
past week, they were all called into the Pentagon to brainstorm
00:39:44
ways that their characters could take down.
00:39:46
A Chinese spy balloon, definitely.
00:39:51
Oh, man, that's good. Anything else you want to talk
00:39:58
about with rap 22? I'm excited.
00:40:00
I'm already pre-ordered mine. So we're ready to go.
00:40:04
Yeah, I'm ready to go. Got the pre-order there because
00:40:06
I want the hard cover because the ark, when we get the
00:40:09
advanced reader, copy will probably be a soft back.
00:40:12
Yep. And I really want to talk to
00:40:15
Kyle about this one. I already have a list of
00:40:18
questions, you know, ready to go.
00:40:20
Once we read the book, I'll have triple the The exact list of
00:40:24
questions, but yeah. Man, thanks for coming on to
00:40:29
crack the code tonight, and it's a pleasant surprise that.
00:40:32
I thought we might just get the title, but we got the plot and
00:40:36
the cover. So I got a lot to digest here.
00:40:38
Going to be thinking about this one for a little while now.
00:40:42
Definitely, definitely. I was not expecting to get all
00:40:45
that. So this is quite a treat.
00:40:49
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00:40:52
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