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Alright, let's let's start from the bottom, bottom of the
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barrel. I wonder if we have a few in
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common here. Brian, why don't you kick us
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off? Tell us what made the bottom of
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the list for you on Kyle's Mitch wrap books.
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Well so, so I want to be clear. I don't think any of them are
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bottom of the barrel because As I've right read many Thrillers
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that are pool bad, none of these are there.
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So my eighth was ordered to kill second, right?
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Second Kyle book. I'm not going crazy.
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Correct. Second one coming off of a
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survivor. Solid good.
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Again, I think it was there were parts of it.
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I loved was awesome, but those first few post Survivor, I think
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I was still a justing to Kyle. And I think Kyle was I don't
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know if he would say, maybe still adjusting to Writing a
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bitch rap book, right? Like, what do you need to have
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intimate Rap Book? How do I tell, probably, how do
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you tell an original story? And I'd God bless him.
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I don't know how he does it, because it's so difficult.
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Right? You have to tell Mitch wrap
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story, but then you also have to create an independent story.
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Where, you know, you can create a character to drive story,
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right? Like, you know, who has to drive
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the story? It's like a mission impossible
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movie, right? Like, I know, I Need for crazy
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stunts, Tom Cruise to do for crazy stunts.
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How am I going to get him to those four points?
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So that like your creativity? Like I think that's amazing.
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So what are the kills down there?
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Still a great book. Loved it enjoyed it.
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But on the bottom for me, So I go through all mine, you want me
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to do also? Why don't you once you say your
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last one. Like so a last one again really
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good book. I think it was the believability
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on this one and Don's going to be upset one of our super fans
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and patrons Dawn loves this book.
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I have to go with red War at the eighth spot.
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It was some really compelling storytelling really like the
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stuff was it Latvia Lithuania. Scott and Mitch are on the
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ground in this war. However, there was too much
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stuff where he sneaking in to find crouppen in that bunker in
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the heart of Russia that I just couldn't buy.
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I remember they tell one of the guards their bird-watching for
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some national Conservancy that permission to be there and they
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sneak up right in the bunker where the president is being
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treated. President of Russia is being
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treated with chemo, so great story, intriguing plot, but
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there were a few things on the, by ability factor that brought
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At that one down for me. Read War, eighth spot.
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II had total power. I just, I couldn't I could not
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get into total power at all. I don't ever just the timing of
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total power. That was the, that was the code
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book. I just didn't, I didn't love it.
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I felt like there wasn't enough Mitch, you know, he really
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pissed me off when he like also kind of cool and funny when he
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was like I'm going away in find me until I can't do anything
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until you find me someone to kill and just like it wasn't big
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into Power Station as a villain. So yeah that's that was those my
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book. I guess we'll do like a snake
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draft order here so I'll do my next one eye.
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The next one is red warm. I can die for all the reasons
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you said like you know it's the weakest of his Russian Trilogy
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and we actually like we point on pod like things that could have
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elevated that book a little bit more you know like the the the
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other guy, the other Russian guy not the president.
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Like if he had been more helpful saying these sokolov yeah like
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it wouldn't the would elevated that book but ultimately you
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know that wasn't wasn't the best again.
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Like got a preface. What Brian said.
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None of these are duds. It's just like like you have to,
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you have to rank, you know, I'm going to say the same about
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total power actually because that got hot.
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Yeah, I had to put that a little lower.
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I did find the concept intriguing and very offshore.
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I'll I love the questions. He's asking, he has crazy
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Concepts man, right? Al of the questions, he's asking
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I'm just slightly underwhelm sometimes at how they're
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addressed and I almost want more of it.
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I think total power would have been better for me, if the
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Fallout of that attack. The damage.
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It did to the country carried forth a little bit.
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I felt like Enemy at the gates. Almost we moved on to quick and
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total power left me wondering what is a post almost
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post-apocalyptic America? Like, not only so many dead, but
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so much of our infrastructure that vulnerable and we were
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ready to literally eat each other over it, you know.
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And the country was torn apart. I think I would like to see that
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continue a little more and so it almost almost felt like a
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one-off when There was no real follow-up to Total power, and I
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was really hoping a post total power world would have been
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shockingly different and we kind of just went back to normal
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again, that plus power station again really great.
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Things power station in the Committee hearing on the hill, I
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think was so Flynn Ian and I love the move to have this smart
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jackass Power Station, mouthing off in Congress.
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But that was like an isolated thing after that, I didn't care
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for power station much. So there were some, some big
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hits that we're out of the park. But unfortunately, there were a
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lot of foul balls. So that's the seven, eight.
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Brian, you go. I don't know if you can keep the
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baseball metaphor guy, I can't. Okay, good.
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My seventh is Enemy of the State.
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See, I'm different than you guys.
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I I liked it again but the ones you guys didn't.
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Like, I was my favorite of the Russian Trilogy, which was
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actually Russian interesting read was just read war and we
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say another great one kind of loved.
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What they did with Mitch there, I thought it was a beginning of
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a transformation. A little bit of Kyle's, Mitch
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starting to come through a little bit more in terms of
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where we were starting to see him go.
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So I like that one. So, that was my 7th and then 6th
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is the most recent with the Loyalty I enjoyed it.
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So where I have it? Well yeah I enjoyed it either
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were elements of it that I really liked.
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I don't really have anything bad to say about it at all.
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I maybe don't feel the cooks were as rushed as some people.
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I just like, because most of his most Vince's storytelling with
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big bads Never lasted really more than two books.
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True. So that part, like if you go
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back to early early events and I'm thinking like with only two
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books, yeah, like third option, separation of power Vince.
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Do. I mean, they wouldn't carry on
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for really long time. Would I have?
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I liked to have played that out longer?
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Yeah, but if you're looking at it as, like, oath is a direct
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sequel to enemy. Okay, I get it.
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I think he did a nice job with like the paranoia of Anthony
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cook and why he would sell the scent disintegrate, you know,
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and the wife and I thought some of it was a little rushed a
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little, you know, with the his buddy who comes it?
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Like that part. Yeah, a little maybe a little
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rush but I still like oath. I think it's interesting where
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Mitch was taken really interesting.
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Now considering there's only one other book to kind of Clean up
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some of these ideas that were really being brought to the
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Forefront. Like, there are a lot of Big
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Ideas, not only an enemy but both kind of carries those ideas
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forward in a really significant way.
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So now I'm kind of intrigued in terms of like is Don down with
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that storytelling. And we're going to get a
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continuation of this idea of where Irene's going and what
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she's going to do at it like Where are they all going back to
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government service? You know, like what's that going
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to be like? Is it now Irene you're back at
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the CIA. Oh wait, now Irene your
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president and Mitch you can come back and now you're running the
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sea. Is that where we're going with
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it? Because in my mind that's not
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where Kyle was going with it. No Nicholas Ward but he took he
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pump the brakes on Nicholas Ward.
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Was that intentional? I don't know.
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So that's my point. So I think both of loyalty could
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be bumped up Up depending on what we see from code red.
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Yeah. Okay.
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Yeah, I'm going to agree with that.
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I actually just put any, excuse me.
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I put oath of loyalty a few spots up because in the six
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seven spot I'd 7 order to kill and just above it.
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Enemy of the State and I don't remember much about Enemy of the
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State but the reason I bumped it and it got that six spot, the
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crazy guy that size. But I remember it was really
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impressive. Bringing Donatella and Grisha
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back right to do just one I think.
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Would have been, you know, pretty impressive, but I think
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to do both in a way that's believable and buyable.
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I think is master class and there was no reason.
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This cast of characters should be together but they did come
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together for Mitch's sake, you know, when he needed to call in
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a favor, he knew how to call in that favor.
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He knew the motivations of people who were his at different
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times, his enemies and his allies.
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And that's one thing from the very beginning, Mitch was He was
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almost like a psychological hero.
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Vince, really gave Mitch early qualities and transfer of power,
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being able to read people and read a room and know when to
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show force. And when to be that rabid dog in
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their face, he he almost could read a scene.
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He learned that from Stansfield. I think let's not forget Thomas
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Stansfield and I think Mitch was so good at that and An Enemy of
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the State. I saw little hints of that,
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Mitch a smart, Mitch not - in a, in an evil sense but able to
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recognize relationships where they're at and so the fact that
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he got Donatella and Grisha operating, was it maslak at that
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point and maybe someone else. And he had this dream team, the
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mash-up, as we've called it. Chris.
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I believe that young kid right there.
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Yeah. That's right.
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That's right. Yeah.
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And then Donatella recommending a threesome like, come on.
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Dude, that's not. That is just beyond that and
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it's so Donna. Della, he knew who Donatella was
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with a line like that? Yeah.
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So I also had at the six spot, the most recent book of the
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loyalty and it pretty much everything you said.
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And I guess the Highlight is like the how incomplete I
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thought it was. And I think, you know, you can
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kind of read through the lines, through the interviews, through
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the press releases stuff like stuff that he had to cut out how
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you know, it felt it felt like that and there's other times
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where like people reference oh yeah.
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I had to take some stuff out and you just like, oh, I didn't
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know. Sit there was kind of seamless
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but this one you kind of see the cracks a little bit in terms of
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like how he had to about face, you know.
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He or at least maybe not a bad face but like he had had when he
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started out Enemy at the gates. You know, he had this vision and
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then because of different circumstances, him being the
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Nostradamus, he is, you know, sort of writing January 6,
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dollar Insurrection before it actually happens like you know,
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No, and obviously the editors not wanting to have that in
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their novels. So I think Kyle's been dealt
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some things that are out of his control and I just this one just
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didn't didn't come together for me.
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So that's why I put the put it there and then right after that
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I have ordered to kill it and it's pretty much for everything
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you said. I the follow-up for how much I
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like the Survivor. It was like alright book.
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You know, we talk about this all the time.
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The second books are almost other than the first books,
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right? You know, like you have this
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idea you're working on forever and then are you got to come up
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with it and you know all those either they nail it.
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Well they you know they go really bad or you know they just
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kind of like ordered it was good.
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It was a solid novel and I think the key sort of group began to
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get his feet you know, the further he got along.
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All right, what are we five? Now, my fought for the wicked.
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Everybody just do. Ya think we're on five.
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Okay, so my fifth is red War. I just I like the action and red
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War. And I like Scott and Mitch in
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red War. I think that's what drew me to
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that one. In some ways.
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I understand there's pushback the Russian trilogies an
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interesting one right. It is probably his most as you
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guys already said his most complete Ark throughout the
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series. Maybe I just remember of those
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three like that one. I just go back to initial
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readings of it being the one that connected me.
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With me, the most of the three, but I do think.
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You could really order those three anyway, you wanted to in
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terms of what was there. I'm not like wed to somebody
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saying, oh, read Wars, the worst of the three or the best of the
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three, or the middle of the three.
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You know, that's just kind of where it's at.
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For me, I thought it was a little bit more complete maybe
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than oath. Again, I quote the Loyalty I
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could bump above it, I just need to see where some of those ideas
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that were intro in it and then my Fourth would be the Survivor
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and I put that so high because for several reasons one, I think
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there's some pretty awesome sequences within it but just it
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gets a lot of credit for me, in terms of just how impressive it
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was that he pulled it off. Yep.
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Like everything was riding on that, like, if that had not
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worked, let's say that that he could not have pulled that off.
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We're not into Book 22 and we're not talking about Don Bentley
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being brought on. You know, if two years into this
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they had to say like oh the Kyle Mills is done that we're
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bringing in whoever and then if we were on the fourth person or
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fifth person writing, Vince Flynn's Mitch wrap by.
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Now, I don't know if I'd still be around for it so I mean
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Survivor gets a lot of credit and in my mind this month is
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probably doesn't exist. No.
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And the standard release stuff is Awesome.
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And yeah I just I there's some interactions with Irene emission
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there where he like they're trying to start to pull him back
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you know to the reservation, you know, they're trying to be like
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okay we can't have you just be a person who's going around
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killing people with no conscience.
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Like that's not some of that that he layered in there and set
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up for future books. And so I just I think it's Of.
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I don't know, I do I can't compare it to anything anybody
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else has done. If you ask me to go read the
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first book that when somebody took over for Clancy or the
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first book when somebody took over for Patterson or cluck
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Hustler, nothing compares to that, I just feel like there is
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like, you read it and you be like, yeah, there's this is not
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Tom Clancy. Like, Tom Clancy did not read
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the right this one. Whereas, if you just handed
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somebody, the Survivor and said, how much of this book did Vince,
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right? How much of it did Kyle right?
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And you would never guess how much Vince wrote in that book.
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Book which was like nothing a page, right?
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Was it two pages. Something I paid like three
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pages. Yeah, you never would guess that
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and that is the sign of just an unbelievably gifted writer.
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A my opinion. Totally agree spot on, you know.
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Now, what's your number for Mike?
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Yeah, I think I said my five and six.
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So, let's do four. And then top three, I'm really
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interested, I can kind of see where you guys are at, but for I
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gave it to oath of loyalty. Okay.
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I I put it above a couple of the other ones I will say, I was a
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bit of a prisoner of the moment when it came out.
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I still think in many ways, I stand by my statement that it
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was Kyle's consent to kill. I will not say that because it's
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his best book. The way most would say it is
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Vince's. Best Book.
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But I think it's the one where he brought us to the depths of
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Mitch's Humanity as we've been saying, and we finally saw what
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happens when his family is under attack with Claudia.
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And it was the height of Claudia on the logistics that hit on the
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South Africa house. You know, where she is in his
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ear, giving him the comms that reminded me of the hit and
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consent to kill on the house out in Leesburg.
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So I just saw so many parallels to that book.
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I really liked it a lot. I think there are holes, I don't
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I think looking back, it doesn't maybe age as well in my memory
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as I initially hoped it would. There are some like side
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Adventures. We go to this end.
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Enzo Ruiz guy in Spain, were blowing up a mountain in a drug
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cartel in Guatemala with Scott. That's a pretty cool sequence,
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dude. It's awesome sequences.
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That's why I initially love the book when it came out.
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Do those scenes really carry weight in the grand scheme of
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things. Not really, you know, today they
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have anything memorable, besides being badass, kickass scenes and
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so I think I like the oath of loyalty a lot at the moment.
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I still like it a lot. Maybe not as high as I was on it
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when it first came out. So I think it's going to sit
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comfortably at the four spot. Huh.
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Yes. Um my number four is Enemy of
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the State and I really connected with that one because I like the
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team of aspect of it. We hadn't really seen You know,
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the one thing where you know, covering all these different
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series you like pick out different things and one of the
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things we're not liking not or not liking but like one of
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things we know about Brad and and Scott is the lack of
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continuity with like the people he teams up with like he almost
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has Like An Enemy of the State, like every book where he has to
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like bring in like this cast of characters.
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And I liked how we got that in Mitch and for Mitch the Was the
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first time really like, I guess you week there, a couple books
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that had like, you know, one off characters but like you didn't
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have this like team aspect of it, you know.
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Almost like an Ocean's 11 style type typewriting to bring in a
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movie for you Brian and then I have double enemies.
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Like I'm going to number three is Enemy at the gates and I
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really like this book a lot. I hated it.
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I liked it, I hated it. And then I ultimately came out
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like, I really like this book. I don't know why I do and I
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guess I like it even more post oath like, because I want to
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just go back to like that. Like yep.
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But yeah, that's in. So obviously you can tell what
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my final two are going to be. I think I'm shocked that it's in
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all three of our top threes just because the flak that book got
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four in a lot of ways from the fanbase and other elements of
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Mitch wrapped them. Yet it made its way into all
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three of us superfans. Top three books Kyle, ever, what
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so my number three is Enemy at the gates as well.
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And I don't understand the pushback against it at all, but
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Liz is literally, my top three are, are all ones in which he
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challenged readers in ways that Mitch had not been used before,
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the amount Mitch has been used, Howie, Used other characters to
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do things that Mitch would have done in the past.
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Like, that is interesting story telling, and it's it's
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uncomfortable at times, right? Because you want to read it, and
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if you have this construct in your mind of what MIT should do,
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and it should do this in every instance, like, that's, that's
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not growth. That's, you know, there's
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there's no reason to invest 25 hours of my life to reread the
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same book again. And I never felt like I was
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rereading the same book, a single time with any of Kyle's
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novels, there wasn't as it was, and the fact that he was willing
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and they do feel self-contained, it ideas.
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And it's the thing I am drawn. I think the most to about Kyle's
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work is the these these big ideas that he's challenging and
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and, and I'll push back a little bit because I do think there's
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more, there's more embedded in Enemy at the gates, coming out
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of total power, then you maybe see it.
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First like, the cooks are basically there because of what
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happens in total power through the, you know what, the power,
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the way that they're taking that that grab Is directly tied to
00:22:01
the collapse of that government and the idea that people are
00:22:05
willing and they feel they're willing able to sustain what it
00:22:10
is. They're doing to someone like
00:22:12
Irene and Mitch comes out of their ability to manipulate that
00:22:17
situation. You're right.
00:22:18
So it's maybe not as overt as we would see and you know they're
00:22:22
interesting characters because maybe they're not as overt
00:22:26
villains as we would Seen as a terrorist right or a foreign
00:22:32
intelligence agency, but there they are possibly the scariest
00:22:40
characters in any, Mitch rat novel.
00:22:44
Because they, they're also the most believable and the, and
00:22:48
what he did in each one of my top three books is he has this
00:22:55
unbelievably unnerving ability. To pinpoint.
00:23:02
What is happening in the world? Yeah.
00:23:04
Into, you know, we've that in the coronavirus piece, the total
00:23:12
power piece where somebody literally attacked the power
00:23:15
grid. You know, several months ago
00:23:17
that happened, you know, we know what happened coming off of
00:23:23
lethal agent, right? We know in Enemy at the gates he
00:23:27
had to edit out the part where he had written this I still
00:23:30
would do anything for him to be able to send me those pages that
00:23:33
the other cut out, because I'm really intrigued to say.
00:23:35
Maybe he'll recycle those in the new book, but Enemy at the gates
00:23:41
challenged. Mitch in ways Beyond just
00:23:46
physical, right? And I love your take their.
00:23:49
I love that to me is it is uncomfortable, right?
00:23:54
Because you sit there and you're like I haven't seen Mitch in a
00:23:59
while. But the strength of Kyle is
00:24:03
where I don't have to count the pages where it's Mitch, I
00:24:07
believe are. I got to read this style, Bubba?
00:24:10
He did go off on little adventures with other people and
00:24:13
it but I was OK with that because I feel like he was
00:24:16
consistent in his storytelling and how he was going to do that.
00:24:19
There was an opening up of the universe in ways that allowed
00:24:23
what happened to Mike, Nash to make sense, right?
00:24:27
In connection with what Vince had Add the breadcrumbs for.
00:24:31
And if he had an expanded that Universe in terms of allowing us
00:24:36
to spend so much time with other characters, like Scott like the
00:24:39
team like Irene like Grisha, I don't think we would have been
00:24:44
open for that. It would have been too jarring.
00:24:46
Wait now Mike Nash is bad like what?
00:24:49
Like he's not we need that villain so I'd loved what he did
00:24:53
there. I it was a huge swing and
00:24:56
honestly, I thought it was brilliant.
00:24:59
I never really got to push back against it.
00:25:05
I think you're reading on that is Perfect and it's making me
00:25:10
like total power even more the you're 100%, right?
00:25:15
It the reason we have the cooks is because lethal agent, we got
00:25:19
hit with a virus or almost total power.
00:25:22
We got hit at the grid and Americans needed somebody.
00:25:27
You know to give up those freedoms to get that safety,
00:25:30
right? We were willing to pick a guy
00:25:32
who sounded strong said the right things and you'd almost
00:25:35
just do whatever they wanted you to do just because Was, it can't
00:25:38
get any worse than this so, you know, well, it's fine.
00:25:41
That Savior and like total power launched, the cooks, put the
00:25:44
interesting thing too, is, if you think about who the cooks
00:25:47
are, and we know what they really are, because we see who
00:25:51
they are. But the message, they're
00:25:53
perceiving to people. Right to regular people that
00:25:56
they're putting out. If you were fictitious Bill
00:25:58
character, living this world, we're going to do whatever we
00:26:00
need to do. We're not going to be standing
00:26:03
back and letting the world do think about some of the ideas of
00:26:07
the Roll. Oh, Mitch was playing an early
00:26:09
for insulin books. He was saying first and we have
00:26:11
to hit back, you know, we can't sit back and allow this to occur
00:26:17
and that's what made him our champion, right?
00:26:20
Because we were. We're like no, we need to defend
00:26:22
ourselves and they what the beautiful counter play for me.
00:26:26
With those characters are in the case of Mitch, you have somebody
00:26:30
who authentically believes in his doing.
00:26:33
Those things that he is saying And the cooks are not and there
00:26:38
is a difference from where we were when Vince's writing those
00:26:43
books, to where we are with Kyle now, and what those in who is
00:26:46
using that message and how that message is being used.
00:26:50
So the message that could have been used where the the what
00:26:53
Vince was saying with Mitch you could buy into because there was
00:26:56
an authenticity to it and now that message is being exploited
00:27:00
and corrupted by people like the cooks and that part of that.
00:27:05
Story is, it's just so interesting to me and how he
00:27:09
allowed through his books to show how America got to that
00:27:14
point was also really interesting to me and that's why
00:27:17
irina's out Irene picked up on exactly what you picked up on.
00:27:21
And that's why she's I think that's why she's out.
00:27:23
And that's why she's considering is someone like a Nicholas Ward.
00:27:26
These trillionaires might call him Aristocrats, in some way.
00:27:30
Are they a better hope for the future than the institutions of
00:27:34
the American? Mint.
00:27:37
Hmm. This is why we have you on the
00:27:39
show. That's my long, long winded,
00:27:41
diatribe on enemy of the gates, which we all had at number
00:27:45
three. We did sure.
00:27:46
You subscribe to Brian's podcast the cam Majors if you like
00:27:49
Insight like that and you like movies.
00:27:52
Well, that's the podcast for you the cam Majors.
00:27:55
Now what's everybody's number 2 because this is where I think
00:27:58
we're going to separate. I actually know we're going to
00:28:02
separate. So all of us have not said,
00:28:04
lethal, agent, ukulele interested.
00:28:07
What do you have in a tomb? Like, guys, I gave lethal agent.
00:28:11
The one spot, I put the Survivor in the two spot.
00:28:15
Hmm, we have the exact same like a we do a very interesting I'm
00:28:19
not going to go on much about it.
00:28:20
We hashed out the Survivor how important it is to the series.
00:28:24
Yeah but it just quickly on it Stan Hurley's final moments
00:28:29
intertwined so closely with Louis Gould.
00:28:34
And literally able to bring back the legal.
00:28:36
That's crazy, was fabulous. Call.
00:28:38
Oh my God. And I guess he was brought back
00:28:41
in the last man, but to the way he did it rest was to pick up
00:28:44
on. Vince brought Louis Gould back
00:28:46
for a purpose in the last column which means Vince had a plan to
00:28:52
end him to write him out and have him very dramatically cut
00:28:56
out of the picture or else you wouldn't bring him back and for
00:28:59
Kyle to pick up on that and realize that will give me the
00:29:02
freedom to make Sure, down the road, you know, a book from now
00:29:07
to put his own stamp on the universe.
00:29:09
But also do what Vince wanted. It was the perfect blending of
00:29:13
the two and and oh my god, when Mitch, let's Hurley get the
00:29:19
kill. He allows that to be Hurley's
00:29:21
kill when Hurley bites. His carotid artery out and Mitch
00:29:24
could shoot gold as he squirming away.
00:29:26
Bleeding Out Mitch says, nah, I'll give it to the old man.
00:29:30
Oh my God. And then he touches wrap on the
00:29:33
shoulder for a, man, for two men who you think sentimental
00:29:38
emotional moments should be nowhere within 100 miles of them
00:29:41
Hurley and wrap. It was so deep and emotional
00:29:45
when the when they're there and they're talking and to do that
00:29:50
in your first rap book and kill off characters.
00:29:53
That again, you're being bold. You're being brave, killing off,
00:29:56
two iconic, characters. Going all the way back to
00:30:00
American Assassin with Stan. Hurley consent to kill with
00:30:04
Louis Gould. You kill him off in your first
00:30:06
book and you do it so Tastefully.
00:30:09
I just think it was brilliant. The Survivor so good.
00:30:14
That's your two spot. Brian.
00:30:17
What's your to spot? My to is lethal agent.
00:30:20
Okay. So yeah.
00:30:25
Again, I thought, wow. So the total power is number
00:30:28
one. Well, yeah, I thought lethal
00:30:31
agent, great action. Some some that's those scenes in
00:30:36
Mexico, you know, just loved some of that.
00:30:43
And there was, it was interesting.
00:30:44
There were big elements that like thematically that, I like
00:30:48
that Kyle doesn't books, but I, there's also just the action in
00:30:52
that one. Had that great that really good
00:30:55
balance between the old school, Vince action.
00:30:58
And then a lot of what I liked about the World building, and
00:31:02
the geopolitical elements of what Kyle does.
00:31:06
And I just thought the blending of those two worked in a really,
00:31:11
really interesting. Any way.
00:31:13
And I also think it was a story that was believable because of
00:31:18
what he had done to that character.
00:31:20
Like that that Journey that he goes on in that story, makes a
00:31:26
lot of sense. Also again, the thing I like is,
00:31:29
you know, moving forward in the other books, the physical toll
00:31:34
that the end of that story has and now there's probably also
00:31:42
element of Then covid hits. Right?
00:31:48
You know and you're like like the weight of that story.
00:31:55
The weight of the research he does that I'm sure people knew
00:31:59
something like this was potentially out there.
00:32:05
And it just the pay, I love the pacing of it to, you know, that
00:32:08
it wasn't. It felt like everything was like
00:32:10
really counting down and and I that's not something I would
00:32:15
say. I usually think of as a Kyle,
00:32:18
Mitch book where it feel like a stopwatch is going, but when I
00:32:21
for yeah, yeah, that one felt like it to me.
00:32:24
So again, when you, when you put that in a row of, you know,
00:32:29
where, lethal agent came, you know, you're coming out of red
00:32:32
War where you've kind of had that Russian trilogy.
00:32:35
You're going somewhere different, the next one off of,
00:32:37
that's total power, and then you go into the cooks.
00:32:40
You're getting some really interesting ideas back to back
00:32:45
to back to back that are unique. And again, I'd say with like,
00:32:49
those those books, you are getting different ideas.
00:32:53
You're not feeling, you're not picking up and saying, I'm re
00:32:56
I've read this already, you know, this is, this is something
00:32:59
that's got all the Mitch feel and plus the Kyle World in it.
00:33:04
So I was a big And of lethal agent.
00:33:07
Yeah, so were we yeah? Oh yes it's my number one book
00:33:11
and I think Brian knew probably you know said everything that I
00:33:15
was going to say but like the it probably does have an impact
00:33:18
that we read it and then covid hit and we saw elements of that
00:33:24
book in it and then I like the look The more quieter moments in
00:33:29
replaced with the action in them in the novel.
00:33:31
Like we start off with a him like was it supposed to be like
00:33:35
Justin Bieber? Like the style.
00:33:37
He's like acting like essentially a Justin Bieber type
00:33:40
you know it Just the Funny Moments and then also like the
00:33:43
quieter moments in Mexico where and he's like you know he has to
00:33:49
fight for his life you know and like that scene were with the
00:33:52
dogs and the cocaine and then shows up and like the flash of
00:33:57
lightning like reveals him to like the guy that he ends up
00:33:59
killing right. And then you intermix bringing
00:34:04
back in a villain, you know, from a couple books of Ago a
00:34:07
lot. He's like, he's the overarching.
00:34:10
Big bad. Yep.
00:34:11
Like super brilliant. It was the, like, the first time
00:34:13
we saw, like, besides Gould Kyle, bring back a villain.
00:34:20
And I just, I really enjoyed that book.
00:34:22
I don't know. Like and I don't know, I feel
00:34:24
like if I like that book, I should be like Brian and I
00:34:26
should like total power just as much because they're so they're
00:34:31
great. Booked back-to-back like because
00:34:33
and one thing we don't know we kind of said it but like Kyle
00:34:37
does not lack for creativity. Like in choosing different
00:34:42
story, I'm going to give you this pandemic book and the next
00:34:46
one I'm going to go right into a freaking global.
00:34:49
Winter and then I'm going to come back you with this other
00:34:53
one where I want to have the main villain be like a character
00:34:56
you like evil. You know, you really like buta
00:34:58
be the ultimate villain like it's that's crazy that three
00:35:01
book arc when you think about it and I don't know I as we talk
00:35:06
total power like like Martini is rising.
00:35:08
I don't know, we drank it right now, but ya know, I don't know.
00:35:13
That's lethal agent. I just I really enjoyed that
00:35:15
book. Oh, I Echo everything.
00:35:18
There's a couple other Scenes which seem minor compared to
00:35:21
what you're talking about but they hit so well, all the stuff
00:35:25
in Yemen when were first introduced to the virus.
00:35:30
Oh that's a that's a really good stuff.
00:35:32
And that by the way, that part is awesome.
00:35:36
When they're fighting in the desert in the hazmat suits and
00:35:39
that Village. And then he lets the guys escape
00:35:42
the up so that the terrorists chase him.
00:35:44
He has them go up a hill and he goes straight out into the
00:35:47
desert. And then like a few days later,
00:35:50
he just shows up completely tattered and totally like
00:35:54
bronzed and tanned from the Sun. And he shows up at the cafe,
00:35:58
which is the CIA, you know, not a safe house, but one of the CIA
00:36:02
contacts, when he shows up there, it's like a western, you
00:36:06
know, it's like a middle eastern setting with a virus in the
00:36:11
middle of a Civil War and I feel like I'm watching a western, you
00:36:15
know, it was just he walks into the saloon you know that the The
00:36:18
Swinging Door. Doors of the saloon snap open
00:36:20
and Mitch rap is in a shadowed silhouette standing there.
00:36:24
It's like Tom Cruise at the beginning of top gun Maverick
00:36:29
when he walks into the diner and he's just there, he's just there
00:36:34
and it's incredible and then I think we have a chance to like
00:36:39
lethal agent even more. If this Damien llosa characters
00:36:43
explored because he was connected to the drug cartels
00:36:47
and the stuff in Carlos. Sparta's, this house.
00:36:49
The other drug lord. Oh yeah, rap puts on his clothes
00:36:54
in the dudes house. Yep.
00:36:55
And then orders breakfast from his mate.
00:36:57
Yeah, it's so it's really just a real bone.
00:37:01
He also uses the femur to like yeah.
00:37:03
Yeah he whittles down the dudes. Bone to use it as a lockpick
00:37:06
like next blending of creativity.
00:37:10
Badassery intriguing storytelling plot pacing.
00:37:14
As you said it all comes together and lethal agent.
00:37:17
It just hits and it it's hard. Not even mentioned.
00:37:21
Christine Barnett. We loved her as a presidential
00:37:24
candidate or a lot. Oh yeah.
00:37:27
And she gets mentioned. So again what we thought was a
00:37:30
shortcoming where she's just killed at the end.
00:37:33
Pretty cool rap does to her but yeah, we wanted more.
00:37:36
Yeah. Well she then motivates the
00:37:38
paranoia of the cooks because they're kind of answer.
00:37:42
Like he killed her convinced. Look at what Mitch and Irene.
00:37:45
Well, new. And they did to Christine, to be
00:37:47
fair, they did Did they knew was Mitch and Irene's Playbook or
00:37:52
Mitch's Playbook. Yeah.
00:37:53
And if freaks out the cooks 23, whatever books later for books,
00:37:57
later could be if codered brings it up.
00:37:59
So Damien, llosa, Christine Barnett, all these?
00:38:01
Callbacks it almost gets better with age.
00:38:04
It's like a Napa Valley. Fine, Wine, you know, kind of
00:38:07
better with age. So you're one spot leaves, you
00:38:13
run total, power total power the power, which people might be
00:38:17
listening. Be like, what is this guy
00:38:19
talking? I, this it, does anybody watch
00:38:23
TV? Because I have a reference you
00:38:25
if you ever watched the show The Wire.
00:38:27
So the wire, right? So if you watch the wire, at
00:38:31
least my favorite character was McNulty.
00:38:34
So I love McNulty, I thought he was the best in everything,
00:38:37
arguably, the best season of the Wire for everybody is the season
00:38:40
McNulty's. Barely in and that's the season
00:38:43
when they go to the schools and at first time you're watching
00:38:47
it. You're so frustrated, I'm
00:38:49
sitting here watching that the first time through and I'm like
00:38:51
there's not enough McNulty why is McNulty going off and doing
00:38:55
these types of things and that pays off in the latter seasons
00:39:00
of The Wire. But you also get these really
00:39:03
interesting explorations of ideas and themes and you build.
00:39:07
That's what total power was to me there.
00:39:09
To understand Mitch's frustration he does go off.
00:39:13
But it's also this really interesting, psychological
00:39:16
perspective of what happens to Mitch, when there's nobody to
00:39:20
put a bullet in like they're, you know what, what would a
00:39:23
person like that do? And the interesting thing about
00:39:27
this one is this one was terrifying.
00:39:30
I'm not sure. I've read a book that I was
00:39:32
terrified by as much as this book because it was it was not a
00:39:38
911. Even the style attack, it was
00:39:41
not a lethal virus that you need, Yemen chemists and all
00:39:46
these. It's little bit code.
00:39:49
Some something and somebody could do that and have tried.
00:39:53
Yes. And what he does there was some
00:39:57
of the stories and there's a little offshoots in the stories.
00:40:00
It is a You could argue and I understand the pushback that is
00:40:05
maybe less Vince in it may be less Mission at than you would
00:40:11
want from a book, but it has a story when you look at it.
00:40:16
I think it's one of those ones that's going to, I'll give him
00:40:18
some movie references. Like nobody like The Shining
00:40:21
when it came out. Mmm.
00:40:23
And now, it was like, oh, this isn't Stephen King's but now
00:40:25
they look back and like holy shit.
00:40:26
The Shining, they're like, oh my God, I just think total power is
00:40:29
one of those ones when you look at it from a storytelling
00:40:32
perspective. Spective of what Kyle was doing.
00:40:35
If you looked at that and you're not looking at it solely from a
00:40:39
mitch perspective and you're looking at the story, he is
00:40:41
trying to tell it is there's some good Mitch like when he's
00:40:46
beaten the guys up at the diner and all that.
00:40:47
Like there's some of that element of it but he took it in
00:40:50
a really crazy way and he set up something where at the end of
00:40:54
that book, I was like I do you have forever changed the world
00:40:59
that these people are living in and that is really risky.
00:41:04
Like how do you? And I spent a lot of time and I
00:41:08
actually this is one of the books I had interviewed him for
00:41:11
they needed me to, they called me for his tour.
00:41:15
And I just remember and you can't do spoilers, because this
00:41:18
is the first week, the books out.
00:41:20
So, barely anybody's read it and I'm just like, I've so many
00:41:22
questions I want to ask you because I want to know.
00:41:28
Where do you go? When you know you have to write
00:41:31
a mitch Rap Book. When his name is on the cover,
00:41:36
right? Vince's names on the top.
00:41:38
There's the logo on the cover. Then it says Kyle Mills and
00:41:41
right under it says, a mitch rap novel.
00:41:45
Like where do you go after that? And that the fact that he told a
00:41:51
story like that, that was still a mid trap story but he's
00:41:55
creative enough to do it in other ways.
00:41:56
I think is a piece of art, as a piece of literature.
00:42:00
It's one of the most impressed stories that I saw and I'm just
00:42:05
drawn to that and terrified by it.
00:42:07
And it's a book that like still affects me.
00:42:09
Like I have a friend who lives in the county in North Carolina,
00:42:14
where the person shot. Shot the power thing and his
00:42:17
power was shut off and all that stuff was there and I was like
00:42:21
that's the type of thing where I look at him like wow he was a
00:42:25
really might not be for everybody.
00:42:28
Like I love my consent to kill Mitch rap but like those arcs in
00:42:33
the ability, I would really say post read War to build where I
00:42:40
think he was taking this world and maybe he's just decided that
00:42:44
he can't. Do that or he doesn't want to do
00:42:47
it. I think you guys mentioned the
00:42:48
other pod, like he had a statement like I want to tell
00:42:51
stories but I don't want to use Vince's characters to tell the
00:42:54
stories I want to tell them. And maybe that's at the point
00:42:57
where he started to tell which I, by the way, I read those
00:42:59
lines, you know, sorry to cut you off.
00:43:01
Yeah, that would be those lines and is he is he saying that or
00:43:04
is it? He people don't want him to
00:43:07
maybe not. Let's clear the higher-ups don't
00:43:09
want him to do that know and maybe fans I don't know.
00:43:12
This might be a wildly unpopular thing. to say on the Vince Flynn
00:43:17
pod casts, but Kyle's, 9 books in here, like, to me, That
00:43:24
character now it's almost a decade.
00:43:28
He's put into that character. So, to this idea that the, the
00:43:32
Don Bentley books are going to say, Vince Flynn, you know, Don
00:43:35
Bentley and my trap and there's no reference to Kyle to me.
00:43:41
There's, I don't want to say something disingenuous to it,
00:43:44
but I feel like that character has been so affected.
00:43:47
Where if you continue. This narrative and story line
00:43:51
that Kyle is done, there are so many elements.
00:43:53
Immense of what Kyle has brought to this character.
00:43:56
That it's not just been Flynn's me trap anymore and maybe that's
00:44:00
blasphemy. And people will track me down
00:44:02
and be like, what the hell you talking about?
00:44:04
I just I just think after these last few novels, unless you go
00:44:07
back and do the prequel novels, you know, the Mitch we have the
00:44:12
world we have now is so much of that is Kyle.
00:44:19
Yes it right. What?
00:44:21
Ultimately, you know, I think I agree with everything you're now
00:44:24
saying about total power and kind of sheds new light on it.
00:44:27
But what I ultimately hope is I don't want this to become like
00:44:32
what I've seen with the Robert Ludlum series or what you see
00:44:35
with the Tom Clancy. Where's you know, says Tom
00:44:37
Clancy's, The born deception or you know, the born Dominion?
00:44:42
Like I hope that it's not like are we going to get down for a
00:44:46
couple books and then like now. Now we're going to get you know
00:44:50
I know that I need for a couple books really really get Mark
00:44:52
Greenie one year Don Bentley won't like I might have to tap
00:44:56
out and they do will I want to know how to do it when I get to
00:44:59
tract is or is going to be? I don't remember seeing that in
00:45:03
any of the statements I would assume every time you have a
00:45:06
transition it's got to be one or two books Max at least two books
00:45:10
but the thing is I think the question or the answer to that
00:45:13
question is it's in Dawn's hands and I see no reason he's not
00:45:17
going to He's not going to nail it and in he's not going to pick
00:45:21
up the torch and, and it will be years.
00:45:24
From now, Mitch wrap, the Vince Flynn character written by Kyle
00:45:29
Mills and Dot, you know, Vince, Mitch Vince, Kyle and Don I
00:45:33
think he's going to add his name to that Pantheon.
00:45:35
I'm very hopeful about this. I think obviously it's Vince's
00:45:39
character, but I think you're right, Brian?
00:45:42
It's going to be all three of their characters.
00:45:43
They all it's like the stewards, right?
00:45:46
You were Steward of something. You have a lot of
00:45:49
responsibilities and Kyle showed us the template and the way to
00:45:54
be that faithful Steward to do it the right way.
00:45:56
Yet at the same time, make it your own.
00:45:59
I'm very hopeful about this in the one thing I'll say I'm
00:46:02
really glad that this was on Kyle's terms.
00:46:05
I do believe for a while now. It's been on his mind, going
00:46:11
back to his own works and his whole plot when he wrote Enemy
00:46:15
at the gates to go towards the fall of American democracy.
00:46:18
See he wanted to tell, I think it's very honest of him to say.
00:46:22
I don't know if Vince would have told it and simply because I'm
00:46:25
not sure I can't be the one to do it.
00:46:28
And instead since it's my story, I've got to go write it in my
00:46:32
own way with my own characters. I think it's a very honest thing
00:46:35
to say and to do it after eight books.
00:46:39
Imagine if we got to 9 or 10, I would be thinking hey Kyle,
00:46:44
Vince only wrote what 13 he did. I was like you're I'm close to
00:46:49
that. And to me, I wouldn't want to
00:46:51
see anybody else, right? 13, Mitch rep books, but I'm
00:46:54
okay. If you write about 10 of them, I
00:46:56
don't think it would have been right for him to stay on and
00:46:58
stay on and stay on. If one, he was questioning to,
00:47:02
he had other creative Endeavors to move on two and three.
00:47:05
You're approaching almost equaling.
00:47:07
How much of the series is written by you verse written, by
00:47:09
Vince, and I want to keep that intact.
00:47:12
I don't think anybody should write more met rap books than
00:47:14
Vince wrote, that's a minor thing.
00:47:17
But I think It's a big thing I think at the core it so he's
00:47:21
Vince's idea but I also think if somebody isn't going to bring or
00:47:28
be able to tell the story they want to tell then they should go
00:47:33
do their own works. I mean, I get the amount if you,
00:47:36
I mean, you guys have talked to writers.
00:47:38
I'm lucky enough to be friends with some writers.
00:47:41
The amount of work that goes into crafting a novel, like just
00:47:46
to create one every year. Is so staggering to me that you
00:47:51
should be able to create the exact novel, you want to create
00:47:54
want to do like at this point, you know?
00:47:57
Like if Kyle like I feel again Chris.
00:48:00
I think you said the very beginning of the episode, I
00:48:02
wasn't quite sure what my at my adjective to say how I felt was,
00:48:06
like, disappointed wasn't an adjective, I wanted to use
00:48:09
because then I would feel like I am in some way implying that I
00:48:13
am disappointed. That Kyle is like Kyle gave is
00:48:16
going to have given us nine books.
00:48:19
You know, carrying on a series that could have disappeared.
00:48:22
Yeah, so if he can go and I'll be the one of the first people
00:48:26
to go buy his book because I'm so intrigued to see where it
00:48:29
will go. So I think like Bittersweet
00:48:32
maybe, because I'm very good thrilled with what I got and
00:48:39
also excited that like, it is a very different scenario than
00:48:42
Vince Kyle never got to talk to Vince.
00:48:44
You know, Kyle never was a, got to have, Vince has a sounding
00:48:48
board for Or ideas. Don has that, you know, there
00:48:52
are going to be other Kyle Mills books that I can go read.
00:48:55
So I think it's more just as a celebration in an enjoyment of
00:48:59
what he did with that character and then I do think will be
00:49:04
interesting to see how it plays out moving forward.
00:49:08
And the choices Don will make will probably make some of the
00:49:12
vents novels even better. Some of the Kyle novels even
00:49:17
better and then it might make some Be like maybe I don't like
00:49:20
that one as much now because I like with Don did here and the
00:49:23
ties more into this Flynn book and this Mills book.
00:49:26
So I think I'll be an ever-evolving whist probably of
00:49:31
the Kyle infants books. Yeah.
00:49:34
Can't say it any better than that.
00:49:36
I think, I think that's it. Brian, I think you brought us
00:49:39
home and things are only going to get better from here.
00:49:42
And what we love already, I think Don is going to bring
00:49:44
forward and even enhance and Elevate.
00:49:46
What we love about the series in his own way.
00:49:48
So Thank you. Kyle a toast to you and welcome
00:49:51
Don. Yeah, happy to have you.
00:49:53
It's been great talking with you Brian.
00:49:55
Always love your Insight on everything.
00:49:57
The Trap was great to be there. We'll have you guys back to Comm
00:50:00
major soon and we'll, we'll pick a movie.
00:50:03
Something fun. Something non non spy.
00:50:06
We've always gone for like spicy.
00:50:08
Yeah, well, do whatever you will do, will do a musical.
00:50:11
Will do my fair lady, put it what you want to do.
00:50:15
You think it will do sideways? Mike bring his wine and we'll
00:50:18
do. Sideways.
00:50:19
I've never seen that movie. I haven't.
00:50:21
All I know. Is that he the guy doesn't like,
00:50:22
Merlot. I've never seen doesn't.
00:50:23
He does not like Merlot. So don't bring Merlot.
00:50:35
Alright, I hope you enjoyed your time with me.
00:50:40
Brian and Mike. I love this about like different
00:50:44
series. Like peep some people like
00:50:46
favorite thing about a series can be completely different from
00:50:49
someone else's, you know we just had Brian on and my worst book
00:50:55
is his favorite book Total power.
00:50:57
Yeah he drove a hard bargain though.
00:50:59
I mean he was he was convincing me.
00:51:01
I'm sitting here like I might move total power up a few spots.
00:51:05
W who is some of the things that he was over the course of the
00:51:07
conversation? I think it might have.
00:51:08
I need to I need to go back and reread them.
00:51:11
We maybe we should do that. We should do it.
00:51:13
When we're we have nothing to do will do a total power reread.
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