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Hey guys, I'm Chris and I'm Mike and welcome back to this
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month's. No Limits.
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The Scott are bad podcast. How you doing today?
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Mike? I'm good.
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It feels great to be back here on the breadth or podcast.
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We've been real active with all the Mitch rap Kyle Mills news,
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then we were on the No Limits. Thriller podcast feed covering
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some different books and authors like Ward Larson and Connor
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Sullivan. But today, I would say, with
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foreign influence, we are back to quintessential Brad Thor.
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This is absolutely a breadth or novel.
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Yeah. No.
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And I think We're going to find the course of our discussion
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today. At least I believe and I want to
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get your opinion of it. I think Brad is really beginning
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to hit his stride. You know we've gone through this
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period of I want to see ups and downs but just like trying to
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you know what sort of other does he want to be trying all these
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different things you know having around from having you know like
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a the book like lions which is you know feel like this book is
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very similar to Lions. Yeah a little bit crisper A bit
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better. But then like going to something
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like a blowback, where you doing some sort of mystery again, when
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we go to like the Apostle, right, you know, just these
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one-off sort of genre plays or, you know, the glow back doing
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like an attack on the city, you know, tackle Manhattan, egg down
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now, do you take down here? But now and I'm home and I got
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to eat my words here, but I feel like one.
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We're going to go from this novel.
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For black to Black List. And I think this also is
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important because we're bringing in the Carleton group and I
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think, yes, that's what we've kind of been missing.
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We've been talking about it. A lot this idea of not having
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this common cast of characters that to always sort of fall back
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on that we like always root for the.
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That's what Mitch has in, you know, with the Marcus's and the
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Irene's and you know, and I guess he had Gary for a little
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bit with McGarry would like come and go, you know?
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And we haven't we haven't seen Gary.
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For a couple books now, right? Right.
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But now I think read and the troll and you know, eventually
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Lara are going to be important, you know, these fallback
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characters and until eventually you know spoiler, we lose them
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again. So like I think Brad is always
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trying to he's making these characters and you're trying new
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things and I guess that's something that's refreshing.
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You know we don't see that in some other novels but yeah.
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Anyways back to my original point I'm rambling that I think
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You know, this is the last book in the the 2010, you know, the
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2010s, the 20 odds, right? It's like a turning of what sort
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of author Brad is going to be icy remnants of rising tiger in
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this novel. Yeah, I couldn't have said it
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better. I feel like we're turning a page
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and when read Carlton and the Carlton group is introduced, you
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just can't help. But shout, yeah, let's go.
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You know, I was like so Jazz that this is finally the Book,
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that's ushering us into that next era, like we said, on the
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Vince Flynn podcast and Mitch rap-a-lot, there was early
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Vince. And then there was like, post
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consent to kill Mitch and Vince. Yeah.
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And you could see the writing evolved, you can see it moved to
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this next level and I feel like that's happening with Brad and
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and this to me this stretch of books coming up soon.
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Is what I think of, when I think of a breadth or novel, it still
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has the globe-trotting. So, that's been there from the
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very beginning. But now, we're adding this cast
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of characters with, we had the troll earlier and then he
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disappeared. It's like, do I want to use him?
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How much do I lean into this? And this book were committed to
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him. Also, like when we saw the show
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before it was almost like Brad was toying with this idea of.
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Do I want to make him a full villain.
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So I want to make him an adversary.
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Do I want to keep him in the Middle where he is?
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And I think this book is still leaning more towards Terry.
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But now we're crouching more towards being a friend, you
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know, like we're slowly walking building that relationship up,
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right. The trust is the are they still
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are going to have some Jabs at each other.
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But the trust is there I think ever since that op they went on
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a few books ago where they kind of Saved each other at this lake
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house and at the very end they needed each other.
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Now I think we're seeing the fruits of that friendship into.
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They can lean on each other and operations in full kind of trust
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and And I think that's gonna really kick the storyline into
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gear. And the other thing I'll say is
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as kind of saddening as it is that we're moving on from this
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whole Apex project and Gary Lawler's like secret team buried
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in the oia, it is kind of like morning that we're moving onto
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that from that. But then you get the description
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of the Carlton group and who they are.
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It's essentially hell, you didn't you Asian?
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Yeah, right. But just like, let's go, it's,
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it's kind of injecting it's like a shot of adrenaline into the
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series and I think this book is pure setup and there's a few
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other things. We're going to get there.
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This book is set up in that way with the Carlton group but it's
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also set up in a main way for a couple of plot lines that are
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left unfinished at the end here. Yeah.
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And also is this the first time? No I guess.
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The first time we got it was when Tracy was shot but like
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this is bringing it back that idea.
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Brad loves a cliffhanger. Yeah and I always thought you
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know I guess I remember you know what?
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distinct Cliffhanger at the end of Spymaster right.
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Which is huge. Huge Cliff Hanger in a series
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and I always thought like, oh, that's new.
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It's like, but no, it's not it. He's had it in his novels
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before. You know.
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What was the one where Tracy got?
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Got shot? I yeah, the end of take down.
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Maybe or below I think was take down.
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Yeah. No, it wasn't sir there.
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Yeah. It was.
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The end of take down into the first commandment and now we're
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getting another huge. Yep.
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Cliffhanger at the end of foreign influence heading into
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full black. So yeah, I'll add something
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though. It's also something new in that
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the preface this opening action sequence.
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Really draws you in and to Inner Mongolia and China and then it's
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not really dealt with again and it's like, I feel like he's done
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that in some of the novel's going forward to the ones that
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are coming, right, but I think yeah, first time he's trying
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that because that's bold to have an opening scene that you
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essentially never resolved In the course of an entire book and
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said decently long book to. And I don't, I would say you
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don't even resolve it, you barely touch it.
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It's maybe hinted at once or twice, but at the end, you come
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back to it and say, oh, this is one small detail in a much
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bigger plot like a bigger conspiracy, you know, think of
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like an action movie. I was actually, another thing I
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was going to say this book felt super Bond and just imagine yeah
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how many how many movies end with you can?
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Include the plot and you figure out what you need to figure out
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and the day new motto is, oh, wait a minute, there is an even
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bigger plot. You didn't know about behind
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this whole thing and then it cuts to Black.
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And I felt like this book just cut to Black and you're sitting
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there like, wait, there's got to be more and, you know, it's
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coming. Yeah, I guess it's kind of like,
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how, what was that they at the end of one of the James Bond's?
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We realize that it was actually spent like he was invited.
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Well, well with Spector. And that's what brought about
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about the next The right exactly felt just like that and there's
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a couple other things that are various it Skyfall.
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I guess it's Skyfall. But yeah, so but I think, you
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know, in Rising tiger we get that opening scene again at the
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border of India and China where that I believe one of the
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characters is important later on but that, you know, seen is only
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touched at very briefly throughout in to add context of
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the story. And this again is, you know,
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We're we're going to go there to China and we're only going to
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bring it back very at the very end to, you know, oh, that's why
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we were there in the first place, you know, to assure this
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all up, I'm not a big fan when that opening scene is not at
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all. Really brought in.
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It was just pure context setting yet.
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I feel like here it's coming. And it wasn't just, let's show
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you this random thing to have some pretty cool action to open
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up. Like I think, what there, and
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they even say in inner Mongolia, there's This Chinese Academy
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where they're training or a deep sleep, erased English you right
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there? It's essentially more American
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than anywhere else outside of America living in this one camp
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where your training and I feel like that's like what Russia is
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doing in the Cold War and now to say China is doing that, you're
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opening up a lot of really cool doors and I don't think we've
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seen the fruits of it yet and I'm really hoping it comes next
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book or I guess we should say two books because with the
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introduction of the No project. Yet another step, you know, this
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book is, is taking us forward in many ways, it's advancing the
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series and another way that's happening is with an Athena
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project and we're going to get a whole book on them.
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So I don't think some of these plots will play out for another
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book or even two or three. I know we sort of had a
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discussion about like, How do we cover the Athena project?
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Because it is non part of the series.
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It's like, you know, he wanted to try something new, I remember
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reading it and really enjoying it.
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And obviously I kind of Forgotten because I don't think
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I read it like, right away, or maybe I even read it before, you
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know, because I think, again, Brad makes a cameo in there and
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how they make an extended cameo in this series.
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But I had really forgotten how big of a role they played in
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this table. Yeah.
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So I but I think I think it makes a lot of sense in that
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another we got them we should cover them for the next book and
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then you know, the following month, go back.
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Yes, areas with a full bladder in Well, someone from the Athena
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team makes a cameo in my Limerick, get it does.
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Well, I love this character and so I had to put her in here.
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Read Carlton is known as the old man and Scott Harvey with a main
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part of his clan. We meet Gretchen Casey, oh, but
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what about Tracy across continents?
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The action will span I like this Gretchen Casey, I think she is
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just so much fun going in there with Scott, getting her hands,
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dirty, and all the other Delta women are.
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Those are really cool move by Brad and the whole time, Tracy's
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on the back of our mind. Also like Scott's gonna have to
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make some hard decisions here and at the end we learn, they do
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part ways and she does understand his desire for a
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family is something. She can't provide.
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So we also got to talk a little a little women.
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In this podcast here, as we break down this book.
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Yeah, I guess we just talk about it now.
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I thought it was a, we've been dealing with this whole, Tracy
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thing for a couple bucks now. And I guess maybe Brad didn't
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know like, how he was going to end it here.
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I could see him. He had brought in this
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character, but maybe like either either wasn't ready for it to
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have Brad settle down. Didn't it didn't love the Tracy
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character that much. I don't know.
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Like why? Like, why she was completely off
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pretty much off book last novel, right?
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And completely off book. This novel, we don't even the
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going away of her, we don't even get on screen.
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It's like Scott is just telling us after the fact you know what
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happened? And we not only get to potential
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love interests in Gretchen Casey but also this dr.
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Riley. That's part of why all the
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group's thinking about her. Yeah, yeah.
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It's very interesting how you know, Brad is thinking about
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Scott's love interest. How's it going the future?
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Really how satisfied were you with the transition away from
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Tracy and Now setting us with the next, you know, love
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interest above Scott's life. Yeah, I mean, I, I'm okay with
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it. It's fine.
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The one thing that just kind of rubs me the wrong way or isn't
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sitting well is, how often He had to put the line in Scotts
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head. Like oh, I'd really like to have
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a family one day, too bad. I can't do it with Tracy.
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You know, I think we knew that's where Scott's mind was, and I
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think bringing it up once or twice in the context of he's
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operating and saving children. That's a good time to bring it
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up yet. I think it was mentioned five or
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six times may be alive and pretty much pretty much every
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time. Yeah, it did that take you a
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little bit out of it just like it's planted here just because
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cuz this book is going to end with a breakup and I just want
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to prep the reader for it. Or did you feel like every time
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it was brought up it authentically would have been on
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Scott's mind at that time. Like did it take you out of the
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story at all with how often it was written?
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Maybe sometimes I feel like the better ways.
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It was woven in was with maybe, like, Padre, Pio.
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Yes. References like oh you do you
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have kids like know exactly. You know, it is because he had
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kids and he was an operator likes.
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God is in nose like that, you know, lifestyle that is, you
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know, like you said, when he's the very beginning, then I've
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only sees God, he's over in Iraq.
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He rescues those kids from from the hole.
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You know, that is another memory or at the very end where he's
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saving the six-year-old, saving the six-year-olds like yeah, of
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course you're going to think about like, right.
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Do I even, should I even have kids those moments made sense to
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have Scott thinking about it, but then it was a couple of
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others where it was just thrown in where, in where in Scotts
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had, I don't know, maybe that's just because we're in Scotts had
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a lot and, you know, it's just naturally you would be may be
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thinking about in the back burner.
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Not not as direct, you don't. You don't think as direct as
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someone who's writing out? What someone's thinking, do, you
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know, thinks, you know, think like it's sort of always in the
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background? Yeah, I think it was just meant,
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they're meant to be there to set us up.
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I could read from the beginning though.
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Tracy's gone it down this novel, you know.
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Yeah, especially when he starts looking at, you know, he gets
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interested in Riley. He's also, you know, I'm almost
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positive. He has some sort of interaction
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with Gretchen Casey going forward after His novel.
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So, but then there's also a lot of really funny jokes with some
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of the operators of the Athena team.
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And I really love how Brad, probably captures what a lot of
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female warriors are like, when they're operating with men, like
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they're in there in the trenches, same jokes, same
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dirty, dark humor. Like it's a way to equalize?
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I would say the playing field between them and it's like, it
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was it was her name Rodriguez, or the one who Gets stuck under
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that wall that they have to say. And the Amsterdam red light
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district stuff. And she's all dressed up because
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they're playing call girls. I just think a lot of that
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banter was a lot of fun and it really takes you inside the
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group dynamics of a group of what I would imagine.
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Female warriors are really like Yeah, I don't know if it's
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because her name was Rodriguez, but she sure and I think the way
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she was described as like she I think she was the one who was,
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you know, Latin agent Rivera. Agent Rivera from it.
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Rat trap. No, no, I was saying like from
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Michelle Rodriguez from like the movie star like, you know, Fast
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and Furious, and SWAT a bunch of different things.
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So she just, you know, she's a badass.
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Gotcha is a the woman who can handle men, in any situation.
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She just reminded me of that. Oh, that's good.
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I know I was thinking of the dojo scene, where That Chick
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Hicks bitch's ass and put some on his on his back and then she
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gives him some lip later. I think To write, write, write.
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Write know, all these little interesting.
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There's a, you know, we have, we have an African-American.
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We have this tall blond chick. I love how I soon as they
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remembered, they describe all of the action column checks, which
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is they describe all of the female agents and the blond one
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in and they go, they have the Blind and I knew immediately up.
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Well, the tall blonde one is not and not going to be used, you
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know, just thinking about that. There's also reference to a
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sixth member of their team. Is injured and I think she comes
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back in in the not and the net and the one-off novel.
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So we're going to meet her, you know, going forward.
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But yeah, no, I want more of these people.
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More of these Athena groups in in our, in our novels.
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Yeah. I'll absolutely agree to that
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and one other. It's a complete other type of
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female character. That's often a Trope in these
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stories but it's pulled off real.
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Well is the bondwoman when, right?
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When they They're in that scene, in that real fancy car and he
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kidnaps her to get out of the hotel and the scape, the hotel
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and she's flirting with him. Even though she is the wife of
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the billionaire owner of this hotel, some Middle Eastern,
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dude, and it's got everybody cheer.
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Uh, sure he's Russia. The Russian.
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Excuse me, the Russian mafioso and there's helicopters chasing
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them and she's just in the car flirting with him and she
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ultimately helps him escape and drops him off somewhere.
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Where and then takes the tail across town and is sitting
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wasn't like a coffee shop or something.
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When they find her a drink, some wine.
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If it's just a brilliant scene, I absolutely love that sequence.
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So it's a different type of female character, but it was
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just written. It was like a Bond movie.
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I don't know what else to say. Besides that, that whole
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sequence, I just felt like it was really cinematic.
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This whole book, almost every action sequence had a cinematic
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feel to it. Did you get that sense?
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Yeah. You know, I'm just thinking that
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we are. We are really traveling heavy.
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It's not only did we we go we start off, we're in inner
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Mongolia. As you mentioned we go to
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London. Where we have that phone call?
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We got to Chicago, we have the whole Chicago storyline which
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was pretty interesting, you know, like I enjoyed those
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characters, Scott wrote those two cops.
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Be pretty funny and, you know where, as I think back to an
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ultimately, these stories came together, much better.
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Bigger head than when this is pull it off before by Brad, but
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it was reminded me of that secret service who was like
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investigating president and you know, I like that story but like
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I found that I wanted to be back more with with the Brad
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storyline. Where is this?
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I didn't really care. Like I like both of them equally
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mainly because the one the one cop was really funny.
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Oh my God, they were so funny together.
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The two of them, it was this Vaughn and was the other guy's
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Davidson David's Vaughn and Davidson.
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He's almost like crooked cops, you might call them but in a
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Charming way they were starkel. It was everything I wanted in
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comedic relief and we really cut to them quite a bit and they're
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trying to investigate. So they're brought in to
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investigate this car accident that happens in Chicago and a
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grieving family feels like the authorities are getting nowhere
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with them and basically say it happens too often we have no
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leads. Yet one of these guys is also a
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lawyer and so he's a lawyer cop who's really good investigations
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and was a marine as well or it's the second guy who's the marine
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and the good thing is he also works in the public Vehicles
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Department and so he really knows how to track down cars and
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follow leads. And these guys just team up to
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try to find out who hit this lady and what they stumble into
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is an even bigger plot. And Ali, they get taken
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themselves by the same terrorist group that Scott ends up having
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to hunt. And I really liked how we had
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these parallel story lines and you're right.
00:20:46
Sometimes I don't want to be taken away from the main action
00:20:50
and the main plot and the main character.
00:20:53
But these two were such a rip that I loved every time we cut
00:20:56
back to them, the one guy's talking about his wife and now
00:20:59
he's just always in trouble with her.
00:21:02
It was just a really, really good time.
00:21:05
And then when the story, Come together.
00:21:08
I thought that was really well done because sometimes you're
00:21:10
reading these parallel story lines and you have no idea how
00:21:14
they come together. And it's kind of forced, or you
00:21:17
could see, you could see the threads and it made sense how
00:21:20
they came together. It did you knew where it was
00:21:22
going in a way that was still intriguing because you didn't
00:21:27
know exactly how it would happen, but you knew it would
00:21:29
make sense when it did right and.i.
00:21:32
I really like this, you know, the Rashid character and I had
00:21:36
to remember a bird obviously. When I first read it I didn't
00:21:39
realize that he was, you know, Sean chase.
00:21:41
This deep deep cover CIA guy but as I'm reading it I'd something
00:21:47
clicked that like something's up with her sheet and then as I'm
00:21:50
reading it more and more and more.
00:21:51
And I see the clues as to like, he has it.
00:21:55
He's playing this Persona as this like know-it-all Perfect
00:21:58
Blend can blend in, that's why the obviously you know, okay?
00:22:01
Do whatever, terrorist group liked him but also why the CIA
00:22:04
ultimately like them because he could blend so well in Do it.
00:22:07
But at every move, he's trying to find him from find out, more
00:22:12
information, trying to insert himself, you know.
00:22:13
Like and as soon as he says, Allah we're going to get better
00:22:17
ammunition, you know, and I'm going to drive all night to go
00:22:19
get it. I remembered.
00:22:21
Oh, that's because he's gonna do, he does something with the
00:22:25
image and so upon reread, you can sort of like see how he's
00:22:29
inserting himself and how you could if this was cinematic.
00:22:33
You as the viewer could see how we would know.
00:22:36
He's a deep-cover agent but you know, the obviously the people
00:22:39
who surround don't or have, or maybe even have suspicions of
00:22:42
it, you see how their health are sort of playing that, that whole
00:22:45
storyline itself? Could be a movie like just
00:22:48
having him in in there as a main character and not even having,
00:22:52
you know, maybe Scott is like a secondary character on the side.
00:22:54
Trying to also chase this down would be an interesting and
00:22:57
compelling novel. Yeah.
00:23:00
I would say though, there's another layer to it, that I
00:23:02
think, Takes this even farther because I was completely
00:23:07
Hoodwinked, that was like, a howdy twist to me when Rashid is
00:23:11
revealed as this deep-cover CIA operative and the same way,
00:23:14
Scott doesn't believe it. He's like we got a call you in
00:23:17
and talk to your Handler at Langley to Vera to vouch for you
00:23:21
because I'm not just buying this story.
00:23:23
I'm in some mosque, there's a terrorist plot being planned,
00:23:26
and you're all of a sudden acting like, you're on my side,
00:23:29
like Scott doesn't wanna get played.
00:23:30
Well, I was played because I thought the reveal was that
00:23:34
Marwan, who is one of the big bads basically, the older man
00:23:39
behind all this and the mosque, I thought he was grooming Rashid
00:23:43
to take the place of one of the bombers.
00:23:46
It was a yeah. I know he was, but I thought
00:23:49
that was going to be the huge reveal and low.
00:23:51
Got you got you. I was led to be to be on the
00:23:54
edge of my seat of, like, how is Rashid going to respond.
00:23:57
When Marwan keeps saying here, have some tea.
00:24:01
Tell me. Are you at PE because you get
00:24:02
Tell the Rasheed did not want to do that.
00:24:04
He was like down to be part of the game but not so much just to
00:24:08
go that far. Yeah, and Marwan was really
00:24:11
grooming him. Right?
00:24:12
To say like Rashid, you're ready for this next step in your
00:24:15
martyrdom? And at the same time like
00:24:18
Rashida is really pushing this off and and how does he not see
00:24:21
it? Like I think something would
00:24:23
have clicked of like my master is essentially trying to get me
00:24:27
to be ready to sacrifice myself. I think he would have seen that,
00:24:31
that's where it was heading. And I never in a million years
00:24:34
thought. I thought that was the conflict,
00:24:36
right? He his conflict with Marwan was
00:24:37
I don't want to do it. I have cold feet, he's going to
00:24:40
be forced into do it. Maybe he tips off the
00:24:42
authorities because he's sick of, Marwan pushing him into it,
00:24:45
when he's not ready, you know, a typical story line but that's
00:24:48
not it at all. You know, he isn't really turns
00:24:51
on Marwan in the shootout and when the grenade goes off when
00:24:54
they storm the Moscone or the office, I think it's marwan's
00:24:58
office building. I didn't see coming.
00:25:01
So how was I would say one of two or more?
00:25:05
Really, big plot twists. The last one we I guess we
00:25:08
should save for the ending because it's cool say them to
00:25:10
the epilogue but listen that's not even the biggest I would say
00:25:14
maybe not even the biggest plot reveal is that Rashid was one of
00:25:18
the good guys all along. There's something else coming.
00:25:21
Yeah. So you know, I guess we
00:25:23
interrupt ourselves when I was going to travel travelling
00:25:25
heavy, we go through one inner, Mongolia to London three,
00:25:31
Chicago for Basque Country Bilbao basket, a to Rome.
00:25:37
That's what 7 before we even get Scott in Fallujah.
00:25:41
Yeah, crazy. Then we go to then we go to we
00:25:46
go Virginia we go to the French Riviera be going to Paris, we go
00:25:50
to Geneva, Switzerland, London Amsterdam.
00:25:54
So do the end. We end up back in Chicago.
00:25:59
We're traveling heavy. We are traveling very heavy.
00:26:02
Yes. So is that the because we I
00:26:04
think that's the most it it has to be or close to it with
00:26:09
because I know Lyons was pretty high up there and we got to go
00:26:15
out and actually work out and kind of up.
00:26:17
But yeah, I think we should probably talk about like, what
00:26:22
the plot of this actual novel is, right?
00:26:24
So we're in the very beginning, we get smuggled, I think
00:26:28
Something's Happened. Something happened in there.
00:26:30
We know that there's these people, obviously talking about
00:26:32
a hit and then we begin to see these various attacks through
00:26:35
the course of the novel, one being Rome.
00:26:39
The next one being in Paris. And then finally, in Amsterdam
00:26:44
and London, which, you know, Scott is able to prevent almost
00:26:47
all of those attacks in, you know, it's, we don't know what
00:26:52
group is being involved with this.
00:26:54
However, the troll and was attacked and staying with this
00:26:59
Padre, paired peyo character in Basque country, was attacked by
00:27:03
an assassin who we actually invited in.
00:27:07
He paid for to kill. Because it was an escort but
00:27:11
yeah and Scott was over in Iraq and saving children gets called
00:27:18
in by his new boss. The Carlton Group which
00:27:21
mentioned we mentioned that, you know, Carlton group has brought
00:27:23
in, we get a new Gary figure. In if you want to call him that,
00:27:28
Andre Carlton or AKA peaches. And, you know, Scott has brought
00:27:32
in to Gus's. He has this relationship with
00:27:35
the troll, so I guess we could kick it off by saying, what did
00:27:38
you think about? Attack on the troll.
00:27:41
And second, what did you think about the introduction of the
00:27:44
girls group? Those are two great questions.
00:27:48
Let me table the Carlton group just because I really enjoyed
00:27:53
all of the stuff in Basque country where the troll is kind
00:27:57
of hold up in this Monastery with an old friend of his, a
00:28:02
Former Intelligence officer Padre, Pio, I love this stuff.
00:28:06
I really like the character Padre Pio.
00:28:08
I liked map, dude. Absolutely, I think you and I
00:28:11
are going to have to try to sort out, who gets to claim him in
00:28:15
our winners favorite section at the end.
00:28:17
There's a couple of other options to so yes.
00:28:20
No, definitely, definitely. I don't think this book is
00:28:22
wanting it all four options of the free space 5 out of 5, and
00:28:27
he's up there, but even just the whole Intrigue of it, you know,
00:28:31
even to get the escort in, you know, you go into this region,
00:28:35
you know, there's some separatist group, so some
00:28:38
unlawfulness. Going on.
00:28:40
But then these two men meet you in the woods, take you on
00:28:42
Horseback up this mountain for a couple of hours.
00:28:47
This Monastery up in the hills of the Pyrenees is just is
00:28:51
really cool. And then when you hear the troll
00:28:55
is being set up, I mean, you could lose that you could forget
00:28:59
this whole plot where they're trying to frame the troll,
00:29:02
because it happens like that 1/3, maybe halfway mark of the
00:29:05
book and then boom, there's a ton of other action in the
00:29:09
second half of this book but let's not neglect.
00:29:11
The really interesting storyline of the troll Being Framed.
00:29:16
Read. Carlton is given video evidence
00:29:19
of someone with dwarfism meeting for Middle Eastern men, and
00:29:25
passing off suitcases and he's got two dogs, two, what are they
00:29:29
of charkas? And this is video evidence, and
00:29:32
so read, Carlton, is really telling Scott.
00:29:34
You go find and take in your little buddy over there.
00:29:37
I know you've worked used him in the past, worked with him in the
00:29:40
past but we got to take him in and figure out what this is all
00:29:43
about yet. That's the exact moment where
00:29:46
Scott, got a call from Padre Pio saying, get over here.
00:29:50
The troll needs you. And by the way, he's being
00:29:52
framed, I have information that shows, it's all a setup.
00:29:56
And so, I mean, that is like your launch the mission because
00:30:00
if you will, that might be where the action kicks off, the whole
00:30:03
plot kicks off. Is that Scott gets this tip?
00:30:07
He thinks the trolls innocent. He's got to go meet this Padre
00:30:10
to get the info in the Intel. Meanwhile, his boss read.
00:30:14
Carlton is saying, bring the troll in.
00:30:16
I feel that was a great bit of Storytelling that almost Fades
00:30:19
away in the second half of the book yet was really really fun
00:30:23
and cool while we were doing it. Yeah.
00:30:26
And I think we are beginning to see this for the, you know,
00:30:30
budding friendship like I said between Scott and the troll
00:30:33
because he knows even though read, you know, read shows up as
00:30:37
residents and says, you know, go like you said, go get them.
00:30:40
But Scott knows, deep down, this is not the trolls Mo, this is
00:30:44
not the yeah, he does some shady shit, but he's not going to
00:30:48
purposely sell weapons. He sells mites on information
00:30:52
that leads to attack, but not going to sell the actual
00:30:54
weapons, right? Right.
00:30:56
And so why would Scott stick up for someone who he knows was
00:31:01
involved in the plot of New York, you know or someone who?
00:31:06
I mean, I guess he gifted him a dog, which he bullet that he
00:31:12
appreciates and there's that connection that they shared.
00:31:15
Like you said, at the end of the 1950, where they sort of save
00:31:17
each other, we a the Scott doesn't Scotto's the troll,
00:31:21
nothing. So he could, you can literally
00:31:22
just listen to his boss and go over there and snatch and grab
00:31:25
him but he He is coming into it immediately saying well no I'm
00:31:30
not going to go over there and do that.
00:31:31
I'm going to go over there and find out the truth.
00:31:33
Yep. Yeah, I know this the the whole
00:31:36
Etta thing, I did some reading up about entering this now,
00:31:41
quote, unquote, extinct, you know, Marxist military group
00:31:45
interesting, you know like just I love how Scott is able to
00:31:48
weave in. That's got enough a Brad is able
00:31:51
to weave in, you know these little touches these little you
00:31:54
know to make me feel like I'm traveling, you know, in a new
00:31:57
country. Yeah.
00:31:59
And you know bringing in some relevant history with with that
00:32:03
area and obviously having these These characters involved with
00:32:06
that group that would have been present you know during the
00:32:09
whole that you know, separatist time.
00:32:12
Yeah. The Padre Barak peyo character,
00:32:15
I think it shows a nice. He almost has like a mitch rap
00:32:19
moment where like his, you know, his wife is killed and his child
00:32:24
code as well, I believe so, but he do, he did, he did, he didn't
00:32:27
have a, he didn't have children. That's right.
00:32:31
That's it. He said, if he said, if he had
00:32:33
had, maybe they had the children, he wouldn't he
00:32:35
wouldn't have gone down the whole path of suicide and
00:32:39
attempted suicide. And that's right whatnot.
00:32:41
That's right. He finds a much different
00:32:44
purpose though than Mitch wrap by going into the monastery.
00:32:48
Yes, yes. But as only after he you know
00:32:51
centers loses everything, right? He has no credibility anymore
00:32:55
because he's just burned all his money.
00:32:58
Taking all these drugs you know whatever.
00:33:00
So yeah you're right about that. Well you're so that was a great
00:33:05
discussion of the troll. Really enjoying this whole stuff
00:33:08
in in Spain or in Basque Country.
00:33:10
I guess these separatists would say is not Spain but you asked
00:33:14
me about the old man. Also And I absolutely love the
00:33:20
introduction here and I've got a couple of quotes here forgive me
00:33:24
if they're long but they go a long way in establishing what
00:33:28
becomes like we said quintessential, breadth or that
00:33:31
becomes basically. Would you say the not quite Stan
00:33:36
Hurley? Not quite Thomas Stansfield but
00:33:39
almost the amalgamation of Irene Stanfield and Hurley like this
00:33:43
main character who's going to be handling Scott?
00:33:46
From here on out essentially. And basically feeding him the
00:33:49
Intel and giving him the job. So here's our introduction.
00:33:53
Quote named after its founder, read Carlton, a retired 30-year
00:33:58
veteran of the CIA and one of the nation's most revered
00:34:01
spymasters, the Carlton group was composed, of patriots, who
00:34:05
wanted one thing, and one thing only to keep Americans safe, no
00:34:09
matter what the cost. He had assembled a small group
00:34:13
of operatives with military and intelligence experience to carry
00:34:16
out immediate action assignments, using the popular
00:34:19
Pentagon catchphrase. Find fix finish and follow-up.
00:34:23
He explained, that Horvath would be responsible for identifying
00:34:26
terrorist leadership, tracking them to a specific location,
00:34:30
capturing or killing them as necessary and using the
00:34:32
information gleaned from the assignment to plan.
00:34:34
The next operation, the goal was to apply constant pressure to
00:34:38
terrorist networks and pound them so hard.
00:34:41
And, and so relentlessly that they were permanently rocked
00:34:44
back on their heels, if not ground into the dust, man.
00:34:49
That's what we want our Harvest and wraps to be doing, isn't it?
00:34:52
Yeah, I mean, ultimately, he's described like the perfect
00:34:56
intelligence apparatus, you know, like you take the best
00:35:01
parts of the FBI CIA NSA. Whatever even mentions that
00:35:06
Scott, which, you know, he doesn't say star sargassum
00:35:09
group. He says he's working for some
00:35:11
company in Colorado. So like Carlton bought up the
00:35:14
sargasso group, right? He's got this whole intelligence
00:35:17
apparatus without the whole government red-tape bullshit.
00:35:22
Yep, but also gets funded from the government like through
00:35:25
these days super deep. Coppers again, reminds me of,
00:35:27
you know, it's just like we said, it's essentially the Apex
00:35:30
project, you know, 2.0, right. Right.
00:35:33
It's the Ryan project, you know, in the the breadth or Universe,
00:35:39
right? Where?
00:35:41
But now he's not tied to any agency, almost how I feel that
00:35:46
what you know, if Donn wants to decide to do this, what Mitch
00:35:49
should ultimately due due to Greed and begging him, I've been
00:35:53
begging them to do this, in the mid trap novels, and get him
00:35:57
away to clipboard. Let's pay roll it and there it
00:36:00
is. Yeah.
00:36:01
So but yeah, and I think you said it, right, Right.
00:36:05
Just thinking of characters, you know, from what we know Reid is
00:36:10
like I think he's is a younger Thomas dance film, essentially
00:36:15
with it with a little bit of Hurley mixed in because he
00:36:18
believes the government passed. Right?
00:36:20
Who leaves the government, who write decides to do it on his
00:36:23
own, which Irene has an opportunity to do here?
00:36:28
Yes, she does. So the old lady, we got the old
00:36:30
man. They how we got the old man.
00:36:32
The old lady. Yes, yes.
00:36:34
I don't like calling. And Irene old yet, not yet, not
00:36:36
yet. She's still young enough in my
00:36:39
mind. So, to wrap it all up.
00:36:42
I just, I just love how the Carlton group has been rolled
00:36:45
out to us and it gets even better.
00:36:47
Just listen to this Carlton plan.
00:36:49
Clever psychological operations to eat away at the terrorist
00:36:52
networks from within sowing doubt, fear, distrust and
00:36:56
paranoia throughout their ranks, like a cancer.
00:36:59
It was everything. The US government should have
00:37:01
been doing, but wasn't That's the Clincher.
00:37:05
Like you said, we're totally removed from politics from
00:37:08
bureaucracy. The Apex project was buried in.
00:37:11
What DHS? I think it was like under
00:37:13
Homeland Security, right? You know what Stan Hurley was
00:37:16
doing? Had a lot of ties and links to
00:37:17
the CIA. This is different man.
00:37:20
Carlton is completely out there on his own running this network
00:37:24
and I'm here for it. I love the way this whole thing
00:37:27
is set up. But he still has support, you
00:37:29
know, from from those in power because and they want this to
00:37:34
exist because they obviously are getting money from the
00:37:37
government somehow, but I like, how it's not?
00:37:41
It's not part of an agency. We and I think, you know, I said
00:37:45
this is beginning. I think this is a nice budding
00:37:47
relationship and a good place for Scott to be where we're
00:37:52
going to be Tethered to something to always fall back on
00:37:56
and to give us, you know, touch points.
00:37:58
To ground Scott touch points in terms of, you know, recurring
00:38:03
characters that are involved with the Carlton group and
00:38:06
obviously read is going to play a big role as being one of those
00:38:08
characters. So I'm excited to see our
00:38:11
progression. You know, you know through.
00:38:13
So yeah, I like it. Well, we should probably get
00:38:17
towards some of the climactic action and the final terrorist
00:38:21
plots, but just to recap where we are so far because we've been
00:38:25
all over the place. Yeah, we have.
00:38:27
We have Going to let read Carlton some things up because
00:38:30
it was really fun. It was almost like breaking.
00:38:33
What is that the fourth wall when read is talking to Scott
00:38:36
and it's almost exactly halfway through the book and he pretty
00:38:40
much sums up, everything Scott just did.
00:38:43
And to me it was just a perfect. Succinct way to explain how
00:38:47
insane all this stuff is that just happened?
00:38:49
Like, how gripping this book was he says?
00:38:52
So let me get this straight. You trunk to Basque Separatists,
00:38:56
taser, to Madam and her bodyguard.
00:38:58
After she kicked her tail then bagged and dragged her to some
00:39:01
French Farmhouse where you threatened to disfigure her then
00:39:04
ice boarded a concierge shot, three hotel, security, guards,
00:39:08
kidnapped, the wife of one of Russia's wealthiest mobsters,
00:39:11
and you're now sitting in a hotel in Marseille waiting for a
00:39:14
call. Back from the man I sent you
00:39:16
over there to apprehend. Is that about right?
00:39:19
Yeah. That all just happened and we're
00:39:22
barely halfway through the book. Yeah.
00:39:24
We haven't even touched on it and ultimately I guess.
00:39:28
You know, they're they're not super important other than the
00:39:31
fact that they just, they allow Scott to move on to the next
00:39:33
thing. But, you know, his, when he goes
00:39:37
and finally meets with the troll, right?
00:39:39
The troll tells them that he got this prostitute from this lady.
00:39:43
So Scott them, you know, following the leads goes to
00:39:46
this, you know, dealer of process or whatever.
00:39:49
What are they called? They have like a name.
00:39:53
He told me to tell me before. Like, hey, yeah, she's like, She
00:39:57
basically runs the escort sir. Yeah a pimp but like she's
00:40:00
Dependable pimp. Yeah and then there's that whole
00:40:03
exchange which is it was kind of funny with with the American
00:40:07
bodyguard and then like like Reid said you know he goes that
00:40:11
hotel he takes her water bowl, water boards kidnapped gives us
00:40:15
a nice car you know and then you know we talked about that but
00:40:18
yeah, all of that is just it's fodder to move the plot along
00:40:23
ultimately like those things really don't matter, but I will
00:40:27
say, aye. I've said there's been other
00:40:28
parts of novels not just Brad but, you know, this entire genre
00:40:32
or any genre where there's extra things that are added, you don't
00:40:36
really need them. But here I didn't feel like any
00:40:39
of those things weren't needed, you know, that makes agreed.
00:40:43
No, it's all set up. The Padre, Pio stuff, the troll
00:40:47
stuff, but taking the Madam finding the Madam, she gives up
00:40:50
a name Madam 60 guests on Levesque.
00:40:54
He gets Gaston Levesque is the concierge he's talking about Out
00:40:57
at the, who does the ice water ice water bath.
00:40:59
Here in the Riviera. Yeah, he water boards him
00:41:01
because guest on Levesque was hired by somebody else.
00:41:04
And in some ways, it's almost all of that is set up and kind
00:41:09
of dead ends, they're just giving you a clue to the next
00:41:12
guy. The bigger bad if you will, in
00:41:14
this food chain yet, it doesn't feel like you're being led to
00:41:17
Nowhere it. Like, you're having so much fun
00:41:20
with that action, it doesn't even matter that that's like,
00:41:23
still five steps removed from the tip that eventually will
00:41:26
I'll actually matter for stopping the terrorist plot.
00:41:29
Like we don't even know anything about suicide bombers yet, know,
00:41:32
or don't buy stuff shooting, we don't we don't know other than
00:41:36
other than the fact that I think we've gotten by this point,
00:41:38
interspersed the ROM bomb, the the ROM bombing Paris and soon
00:41:43
will be the Paris attacks. Like we know there's something,
00:41:46
something's going on. And then obviously, the whole
00:41:50
time we've been following these Chicago guys who, you know, it's
00:41:54
weird like why this cabbie had I'm like some we know that we
00:41:59
don't know that the cabbies are going to be involved somehow
00:42:01
with there's something that attack but there's something
00:42:04
there, right? It's fun.
00:42:06
Waiting for that link. Like yes, you were getting all
00:42:10
these names like, guest on Levesque hired, Tony sui and
00:42:13
then Tony sui doesn't even exist.
00:42:15
It's this lady at Geneva University, which was a really
00:42:18
fun sequence. Yeah, what did you think about
00:42:20
that? Sirs office about first going in
00:42:23
breaking in the professor? This is like a mission
00:42:25
impossible with James. This is a total his James Bond
00:42:28
novel your you nailed it on the head 100%.
00:42:31
It's got Harvey thin foreign influence, you know.
00:42:34
Yep. Indeed indeed.
00:42:37
But there's that whole scene, where then they go, they think
00:42:40
they have, you know, she's there.
00:42:42
She's all welt on. His was Michael.
00:42:45
Lee is, it was his postdoctoral / lover?
00:42:48
Like, you should go investigate him.
00:42:50
So they go to this place. Almost kill this right in it
00:42:55
isn't, dude. Because she she was the one
00:42:58
using it as a setup that that was pretty interesting and
00:43:01
pretty fun to me, it was pretty creative.
00:43:04
This research, assistant lady comes off as real innocent.
00:43:08
Give him a lead on this other guy who was the professor's ta
00:43:12
and gay lover and secret he lived with him yet she was using
00:43:18
all that she was exploiting that and basically use them as a fake
00:43:22
cover Persona to deal in intelligence Secrets like the
00:43:27
troll had a pretty close relationship with her fake.
00:43:32
Her fake profile. Yeah, yeah.
00:43:35
That is based around a real person.
00:43:36
So if shit hits the fan, she can give up that guy.
00:43:40
His picture, his profile, his everything will be traced back
00:43:42
to it and she seems clean. I thought that was just again,
00:43:46
another one of those really cool twists and that end up I guess
00:43:50
maybe being well, hold on, it felt like a side Adventure.
00:43:55
You. It's really fun when it's
00:43:57
happening after a while. You're like?
00:44:00
What was that about? You know, she gave us a name.
00:44:02
I'm sure but we didn't really do anything else with her and then
00:44:06
boom in the epilogue. Something in her possession gets
00:44:10
to the troll and makes a big difference, which it, which
00:44:13
we'll get to in just a few minutes.
00:44:14
But yeah, it almost felt like the side Adventures.
00:44:17
Might not carry all that much weight but then there are these
00:44:20
little Links of why they all mattered along the way.
00:44:23
It's right after meeting her and her giving up the name, right?
00:44:28
Which allows them to what I guess that's what I wanted to go
00:44:34
to London, right? And so it's now where the book
00:44:38
takes a turn where we're going to be full-on.
00:44:40
We're focused in the plot, we have this, this terrorist with
00:44:44
these attacks, and we're not going to shy away from this
00:44:47
anymore. This is where Boom, the Athena
00:44:49
team comes in, they were working in Wales, right?
00:44:52
With, with doing some training exercises.
00:44:55
Yep. And so it's, now Scott and the
00:44:59
Deltas crew on the ground. Trying.
00:45:02
To figure out where this attack is going to be.
00:45:04
Yeah. And someone else meets them in
00:45:07
London. An MI5, agent who knows, read
00:45:10
Carlton. Personally, he even has a lot of
00:45:13
fun little stories. His days operating with re
00:45:16
Carlton and that's Robert Ashford, punched out, Prince
00:45:20
Charles, apparently reason to that was, is that a true story?
00:45:23
Someone Bunch Prince Charles, it has to be right.
00:45:27
I don't know where that came from.
00:45:29
But that was, dude, this MI5, Is recanting his times with
00:45:34
Carlton. So read actually punched Prince
00:45:37
Charles, right? That's what he's saying.
00:45:39
So, so re Carlton was sent as part of the investigative team,
00:45:43
looking into Princess Diana's death.
00:45:45
And during the course that investigation, he heard Prince
00:45:49
Charles either Mumble something or say something very
00:45:51
disrespectful about Diana, which sounds about par for the course
00:45:55
but re Carlton punches him out right there.
00:45:58
Like I think that is just and everyone decides to cover it up.
00:46:02
It up to save face and so he kind of gets away with it and he
00:46:04
even said, some people like himself agreed with Reid, doing
00:46:08
what he did, that little nugget was just like where did this
00:46:11
come from? But man, that's creative.
00:46:14
I don't know how you come up with that but we also find out
00:46:17
that this is what hampered ashford's career, ultimately why
00:46:22
he got turkey hasn't been knighted, right?
00:46:24
And wide, the very end, maybe that's why he holds resentment
00:46:29
against peaches. Do we want to just talk about
00:46:31
the up? Log now, or do we want to talk
00:46:33
about that, the, the Amsterdam and Trafalgar Square scenes,
00:46:39
blah, blah blah. They defuse a bunch of suicide
00:46:41
terrorists vests. There's a shootout in a train
00:46:43
station. Scott saves a bunch of
00:46:45
schoolchildren and takes down a shooter and a story.
00:46:47
Great. Yeah, let's get to the end.
00:46:49
No, no we can't do that. Okay.
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