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hey guys, Chris and I'm Mike, welcome back to this week's No
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Limits, the Thriller podcast, What's going on this week, Mike.
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I guess you could say. I'm just chilling with Chris
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howdy this week. Just chilling.
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Are you done for the summer? No, we're getting close this
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week, finish up, and then three days next week and done by next
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Thursday, probably about the time.
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People are here in this podcast. So yes, so yes.
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I am on summer break, then looking forward to.
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Yeah, so you're just chilling with some Haley.
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Chill. Nice to have some Haley, chill
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back in our life, although we're going to get into this novel.
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It's interesting. I'll say that to start out with
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There's things I like about it. Let's just say there's things.
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I like about it. There's things I like about it
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too. I think when we were texting
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while reading the book The Stars will align in terms of the the
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scenes that we liked, but the inverse I think is also going to
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be true that there were parts that maybe weren't doing it for
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us and then I'm hoping by the end of this conversation, we can
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have just a quick Riff on what we kind of want in a Haley.
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Chill novel. That's a good idea.
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You were nobody to speak on that, right?
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And an author. Authors craft is the author's
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craft as the children say, let them cook but you know,
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sometimes you need a sous chef and and so I kind of want to
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toss out there just a brainstorm of what would you and I want to
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see in the series what it may be.
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Some of the fans like and and kind of going back to the early
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days of what made deep stayed and Savage Road.
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You know, hit so hard. I think there was a voice there
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that really worked and I just wonder how far removed the last
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two books have felt from That but I'm sure that's something
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we'll get into as we go through this one, not to be too
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negative. I'm going to find the positive
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2. Yeah, no.
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And I guess, you know, I guess we should say we're covering
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Chris Howdy's late, latest novel, The Devil, you know, came
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out early June mid-may. It's been a couple weeks, right?
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Yeah, this is the fourth book in The Chill series it and there's
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also a novella and Direction day, which I, we both of us
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really liked. And yeah, I guess, maybe you
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want to like, give us a recap of like, where we are.
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When we start out this novel, like where did rice torso storm?
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Rising was the last one. Yeah, another interesting novel.
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I think that you're kind of a mixed bag.
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I things, we liked things, we didn't like like this.
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The concept of that story was interesting.
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You know, like this new Civil War essentially like with either
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people in the military taking over for wanting to take over.
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But yeah like we're at a pretty monumental No event in like
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chills life, you know, with. Yes, you just had a miscarriage
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right at the very end of the novel and I don't know the maybe
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maybe, maybe you agree with me or not.
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But you know, some of these authors do a pretty good job.
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Recapping the previous book like early on and like often.
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But it's not like to it's not like too overbearing.
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It just enough to wet your beak. Fill you in and I felt like a
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couple things were just missing from Yeah.
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You know that aspect it early on?
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Yeah. I think though that's the
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biggest through line connecting the last book to this one and to
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see Haley in a dark place. I think felt natural the way
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that book ended. I a little may be jarring that
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she turned to the bottle so easily and I don't remember that
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many hints of that being an issue for her.
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I remember, you know, where she grew up, there were a lot of
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deep-rooted issues in the ER, and so no doubt things like
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alcoholism she could be susceptible to, but it kind of
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just jumps a little too quickly into where she spiraled.
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So I'm glad it picks up with the effects of her.
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She's bent of essentially is telling Publius I'm out.
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It had such a profound effect on her personal life and the
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family. She may have been starting and
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she lost the baby due to a fight, right?
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Like doing her job. It was like this conflict in the
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last book of Her doing her job for Publius meant that she
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wasn't able to live this healthy family lifestyle, that possibly,
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I wouldn't say she wanted but that she was growing to be open
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to it because she was toying with like, you know, getting rid
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of the baby, the entire book, right, right.
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And that was gripping. We like that in the last book
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because it felt real, she felt human that she has issues.
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And I think eventually she was coming around to keeping the
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baby and the fact that being part of Publius is what blocked
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her from fulfilling that I think was a very gripping storyline
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that I was kind of glad to see the consequences of here.
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The the alcoholism stuff was like I guess it was kind of hard
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to read not not in the sense of like the well-crafted.
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It just like made me cringe a little bit because I'm not used
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to seeing her in this element and being having these blackouts
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and I'm you know, the whole scene like early on she's in The
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bar and she gets in a fight or she first makes out with a guy
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who's rude to her and then gets enough, mold his girlfriend and
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him and I will have to bring it back.
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Like I love the how deism, like the whole finding out like the
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future immediately. I'm a big fan of those.
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I come to find out that like this guy then gone to be like
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something success under Congress.
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Yeah, runs for Congress Centre because he hits Rock Bottom from
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opioid addiction and then killed himself back up because he
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dislocated his Because Haley, chill is just so funny and it's
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a cool thing to read. But I could see those scenes
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earlier on and like deeper state or whatever but she's in full
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control, not letting the alcohol control the situation and
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letting her go too far. You know what I mean?
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It's kind of sloppy bad at chill, you know?
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Like not even badass just sloppy chill instead of badass chill.
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Yeah, and I don't want to make comparisons here, but bringing
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up the bar scene, especially a bar fight with a guy really
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makes me think of Connor Sullivan Sleeping Bear and that
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had a variable bar scene, which carried through that everyone in
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that scene had an important role to play, even if you didn't know
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it later on in the plot and I felt like the bar scene was
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really well Incorporated there. We're here.
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It's basically just a vehicle to show us where Haley is in a bad
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place, right? You know, it's just kind of
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we're going to set the stage to tell you this is happening, you
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know, it's kind of tell you instead of show you, and I'm
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kind of just being told, we have to have a bar scene to show.
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She's in a bad place, she's spiraling, she's with this guy,
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she's a mess. I don't know if it came through
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and another comparison. I'll draws Scott Horvath, I
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mean, there was a point in breadth or you would probably be
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able to put your finger on the book, but he went into a bit of
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a drinking spiral and he was at a bar and it was some assassin
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was following him. It might have been a recent one
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like black eye Civ, quite possibly it's post.
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Yeah it's like eyes because it's post like him losing Lara right
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in the spot in the old man. Yeah, exactly.
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And I thought that It was handled real well, so just I
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don't know if it's very beneficial to compare the two,
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but if we're going to do those kinds of storylines, I've seen
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it done. Better elsewhere or that.
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Had me more invested elsewhere. I mean I like Haley a whole lot,
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but same thing like her squeezing, The Rock, right?
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Like that's a Hallmark of Haley chill.
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When she's ready for the skin. Blood has been drawn and she
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couldn't do it here and I thought that was really cool.
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So I like that was really cool. I like the Haley moments like
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that. Her voice and Chris Howdy's
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voice and like what makes this series unique you know what
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makes this series shine like another one is Andrew wild and
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Publius like I almost am at a point where I want to see the
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curtain pulled back on Publius a little bit more.
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I want to see other operatives I want to interact with them and
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instead what we replace that with is what I would say, an
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over-reliance on the April, woo, as a ghost.
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Unfortunately I felt that device was a It'll overused I really
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liked it, the last book, and maybe even Savage Road at the
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end up, possibly, if I recall well, because Savage road is
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essentially like like the sixth sense, right?
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Like half of the books, I didn't realize that she's dead.
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Yeah, that's right. That's right.
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So, I really was invested in that maybe a little too drawn
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out here. I don't know if you agree with
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that. Well, I wanted to ask you, if
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it's kind of changed this novel because they, he's essentially
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given April womb, more powers. Like sheep's cheese U-turn,
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she's able to predict the futures of.
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It's like, she knows things before he only knows them.
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But it is I wanted to ask is that is that just like new
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leveling up or a new abilities at Howdy's decided to give to
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her, or is it actually like in Hayley's mind she already knew
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these things and we just didn't know them as a reader.
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Oh, that she's like projecting, she's she's projecting them on
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into her into like April, whose mind because she is very
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perceptive and analytical and with her eidetic memory, okay?
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Okay. That works for me.
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I guess you're right, I read it in the moment as we're just
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going to go towards this like Supernatural of like the
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universe. The cosmic energy is going to
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align to put you in the right place and tell you these things
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but you're right in that it might be her own intelligence
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her Roan analytical thinking skills leading her there it's
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just that she's using her dead friend as the kind of the
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Catalyst to get her to the conclusion.
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Which she already knows in her own mind.
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Okay. I think I like that reading
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more, a just I didn't get it on first read.
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Maybe it's but it's literally something that I thought of as I
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was like going to ask you the question because I initially
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thought the exact same thing, just this like all right we're
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going to make her. Like a full-time ghost, you
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know, like a real ghost instead of just a figment of Hayley's
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imagination. You know, like a ghost that has
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powers that can indict can do things in the afterlife, it felt
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that way. I was like, all right, that's an
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interesting shift. Yeah, I would agree with you on
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Publius. I would I like a little bit more
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like I want a little maybe a little bit more like Andrew
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while he said, he's an interesting character to me,
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like, yes, we even get like touch points about how he feels
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like a father to chill. Like the the daughter he'll
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never have. That felt a little bit unearned.
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I don't know, because just because the amount of time we've
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I mean, we've spent with him, I guess it makes sense.
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But yeah. And obviously the like some of
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the cool thing seems, I think about from previous novels was
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her interacting with that famous ex-president, you know, that,
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that likes her so much. Yes.
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And even like there's he's doesn't she interact with
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another X Justice like that's they had like Supreme Court
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justice was on. An ex-senator right at the
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shooting range. They're all shooting together,
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right? They're all shooting together.
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It's like, you know, it's people from all walks of life.
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All this like across the aisle, you know, like it's that's what
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made Puglia. So cool to me.
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It was this, this is a political deeper state that was there to
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protect the Constitution at all cost.
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So I don't, I guess this is the kind of leading us to the plot
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and like the, what, what Howdy's decided to go Here.
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So we've had the first novel, was a Russian mole as the
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president. The second one was, you know
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what, the whole NSA cybersecurity.
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I don't remember, like, actually, what they were trying
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to do, they're trying to take down something, right?
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Using the something about the NSA, and then the last one was
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all about the Civil War. Now, we have were, could try to
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essentially Purdue Pharma is going to try to prevent Vent the
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Supreme Court to come down on them by hiring Mexican drug
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cartels to knock off some Centrist Supreme Court Justices
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because I'm assuming that the I got goes against they, he
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mentions that POTUS would be would elect people who are
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ideological similar to the ones that they want.
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I want it's a pretty pretty bold lat, you know, what did you like
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the? I essentially just spoil the
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book and like a minute. But you know what?
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What do you think about that - the kidnapping stuff?
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You pretty much covered everything there is.
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Oh yeah. And we're gonna we're gonna look
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like we're gonna kidnap in order to get people to force people to
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do it and I kind of like how the kidnapping comes together like
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Haley, kinda tells Publius. I'm gonna go do this.
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Other thing to kind of, save these children.
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Meanwhile, but Shaw is caught up in that and Shaw, is just as
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Fisher's chief of security. So I think the two plots
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intertwined pretty nicely and that was satisfying.
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Overall, I'm pretty excited to see a supreme court book.
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I almost didn't have any seen in DC and when we get to judge a
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judge, a cover by the book, I mean the Supreme Court steps and
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columns play a very Central role in this cover.
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I almost wish we could have seen just as Fisher doing her job
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because she's on Hawaii her vacation house the whole time
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because she's getting married and she's honeymooning but I
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kind of would have liked a little bit more Washington
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intrigued. I think again that's another
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strength of Chris howdy his Washington scenes have always
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been great. I'm thinking the fight in GW in
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the deli in the bathroom stall. Going off the Key Bridge and
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book. Number one R I think he's DC
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scenes have been fantastic and I can't think of too many here
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which to me is disappointing in that I've won a supreme court
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book. How much action in a thriller
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takes place in the Supreme Court Chambers or it or anywhere near
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the Building like it's always the capitol or the White House.
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I think there was a big opportunity there and the other
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thing security of justice is I mean very very hot button issue.
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If we're talking about a writer, putting his finger or put
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getting the pulse of the nation. Just look at how you know,
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protesters are being sent you for political agendas not to
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protest at the Supreme Court but added Justice is home and
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threats. Have been uncovered against
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justices and people literally showing up on the doorstep with
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Don's. So I think very compelling to
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then add. What if the threat is on the
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inside? What if it's your security
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staff, you know who are armed and right next to you 24/7?
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What if they're the ones that can be convinced to assassinate
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you? I think there's some really,
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really cool Concepts there and while I enjoyed it, I think some
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of the best scenes were between Shaw and Fisher and that might
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have been the best part of the book but it didn't last the
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whole time. Like they were some flash points
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where Shaw is about to shoot, Fisher in the back of the head
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and Haley shows up in the house, and shot, turns his gun on her,
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and they have the stare down behind the justices back and
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then the plot to hide her, you know, to fake her death,
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essentially and out. Yeah, I really love that angle
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and parts of it were awesome but I just felt something was
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missing or there was an opportunity that was passed up.
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Yes. So this is book of me getting
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like really, really had me going, like the whole
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introduction with the first. It's not a marshal, but it's
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another, I guess it's Supreme Court police, right?
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Yep, that goes and visit it in. Like you're like why is this
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guy, you know, why is he sweating?
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Why is he talking about blood and his house like it.
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Here and you know, you do then slowly start to piece it
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together that he's about to do something really bad and you're
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just gripped, right? You know, you're like well yeah,
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that's the problem, Killers. Yeah.
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Did he kill his family? Did you know what's going on?
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And then, as we build up, and we learn that they're going to use
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these children to manipulate Shaw and like his internal
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strife, I thought that was done very well and, you know, like
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him talking to himself, like, oh, he's going to combine in his
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If like no I can't like it when he she probably should and this
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whole the the phone thing was interesting how like someone
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could get it get it, get it, send you a text and then it
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disappears assassination. By Snapchat.
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I was wondering like so they can monitor his camera.
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Aren't they going to see that? He's also using another phone to
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take pictures of that? Yeah, maybe maybe they weren't
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monitoring the camera because, you know, spoiler alert the very
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end we Find out the fricking Supreme Court.
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Justices newlywed is was in on the whole plot and he was
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feeding more information. So me maybe they just had this
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fancy disappear like essentially Snapchat for texts, but they
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didn't have the whole malware, you know, the phone fully
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controlled because I mean that's all for does exist and that's
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what Pegasus is like, what the rise really develop.
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So I was wondering about the tech to because I'm like, no
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doubt, it's out there. But who has access to it?
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Who would give it to the cartels, or maybe who is the
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cartel working with are paying to use it?
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Is it like a? I don't know like a developing
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countries government who bought Pegasus or got it from the
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Israelis and I know it like Ecuador apparently bought a copy
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there exists copies out there so but still I don't know, I think
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it left too many holes because I'm like, I would I got Shaw's
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torment and I agree. I like the scenes with his wife
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and his family and he's torn between telling them, I thought
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I got really human there. But I'm like, couldn't he come
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up with something? Or how's he going to get out of
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this Jam? I wasn't fully bought into the
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fact that he couldn't tell anybody.
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I'm like, you could just tell people.
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Hide your phone, talk to it, like nobody.
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Basically, the cartels didn't have a watcher on him, 24/7.
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As far as I know, I know they had informants, but there had to
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have been opportunities in his daily life where He could have,
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he could have involved somebody or told somebody, I don't know
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if I was well into the fact that he was so watched.
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And so monitored that everything he did was was a calculated.
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I mean, he's definitely not because They were able to come
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up with that whole plot about the, you know, faking the death.
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Because even though Lachlan is upstairs at the house, like he
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doesn't know about it, and because there unless Joe, no.
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But Joe really, really thinks that he's worried about it.
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That's why he comes to Maui like to try to find this body.
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Joe, this corporate security guy for, you know, a Purdue Pharma
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it's II. Forgot.
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The actual name is Joe Gunn. I was confused by that to or gun
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and Joe the same person. Joe, it's Joe Gunn that he's a
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corporate head of like head of security and so like that whole
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plot like this idea, there'd be someone working for a company
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and its I don't know if you've watched the last season of
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Ozark. Nope.
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Did you watch Ozark at all? Go ahead and spoiled it.
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I watched the pilot in the never got into it.
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Okay, anyways, so So alright. Spoiler alert if no one's
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watching. Those are caused when someone
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plans watch Ozark, jump forward a couple 15 seconds.
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Right? So the this whole series is
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about poppy fields and So eventually the last season, they
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finally the drug cartel, you know, he wants to get out in
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order to get out, he needs to get a lot of money and so he
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starts applying again like a Purdue Pharma type company with
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like they need heroin essentially in order to Lace.
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There are drugs with fentanyl right in the series.
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There's this corporate head of security type who he's the
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go-between. He's you know, he is in the
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offices but also in the Mexican drug cartel area and like that
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was interesting. You can definitely do that.
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Howdy is a cinema file of both TV and movies because the
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influence on this book, you know, I'm getting Hawaii Five-O.
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I mean he even references The Fugitive right?
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Like you know, you have that whole aspect of it.
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You have like Ozark talking about that.
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You have dope sick, I guess it's also.
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He just likes to bring in touch points from the news headlines
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of the day and put it into his novels, which is cool.
00:21:26
I like that stuff. So Yeah, I think it's one of his
00:21:29
strengths as well. I think that he does that really
00:21:33
really well. I mean Insurrection day is
00:21:34
probably the best example of that.
00:21:37
You can't get more current that he wrote a January 6th book
00:21:40
months later. Yeah.
00:21:43
I so I like that stuff. It was good.
00:21:46
I do want to and maybe this will go with the scorecard later.
00:21:49
Dig into the villains a bit more because you mentioned, you know,
00:21:53
the big bad pulling the strings but then we also have the guys
00:21:57
down range. In the dirty work, you know,
00:21:59
Carranza the Suarez Brothers saturnino which is a very
00:22:04
interesting character. I want to parse apart but before
00:22:07
we get to the bad guys, I really like the scene you were talking
00:22:12
about with the plan to fake Fisher's death as a way to buy
00:22:17
them more time. That was probably my favorite
00:22:21
part of the book. Would you say was probably
00:22:24
Midway just after Midway through?
00:22:27
Yeah. And I think I think it was The
00:22:29
Way It Was Written that had meat, not none.
00:22:33
I shouldn't say confused, but intrigued because and there was
00:22:36
a couple times in this book. I don't know, I can't remember
00:22:40
specifically of this is like a, how deism if it's happened
00:22:43
before, but he'll like, write something and then a hard cut
00:22:49
to, like, the next thing. Because like, right, like Haley
00:22:52
says, she's the one who says, Fisher must die and then
00:22:58
immediately we go to, you know, something else.
00:23:01
And then all of a sudden, she's like I'm going to go for a swim
00:23:03
like, you know, there's you see I got interesting.
00:23:07
Oh, you figured it out. So I think you're right, I think
00:23:10
it's interesting and I think it's a little bit of a risky
00:23:13
play but the moment Haley ended that chapter because that was a
00:23:18
very memorable, you know, cutscene chapter, she says,
00:23:21
you're right. Justice Fisher, must die.
00:23:24
I was like Oh, we like, I literally thought they have to
00:23:29
make the cartel think she's dead.
00:23:32
I knew that was the play. So when they went swimming next
00:23:35
scene, I was like, oh, here we go.
00:23:38
Here we go. She's gonna get lost when I
00:23:40
think they're gonna hide it on an island or something.
00:23:43
Yeah. So I could see if you don't get
00:23:44
that, it would be kind of fun. Actually, I would think to learn
00:23:47
that a little bit later because my, but you, you're right.
00:23:51
It's not going to sit with you. My first instinct was weight is
00:23:55
It is Haley show really going to kill the Justice to like to save
00:23:59
the kids like like what's you know I made obviously she's
00:24:03
going through like withdrawal right now.
00:24:04
And maybe she's you know, not not saying like I was that was
00:24:08
my first, my first read of it. And then when I realized what
00:24:12
happened I was like oh she was like being Coy, right?
00:24:15
Like the yes. Yes.
00:24:16
You have to make him think it was a cool plot and I think it's
00:24:20
playful that I think that's in place, closes the hole that
00:24:22
exposes the hole in this whole listening device.
00:24:25
Technology thing because right, they say, keep your phone on you
00:24:30
at all times. And they were truly monitoring
00:24:33
it, that would know. Like, you would have to have a,
00:24:37
we just read about it. And, um, in the last Jack
00:24:39
kartoffel, remember when he's talking to Stowe, he takes his
00:24:46
phone. Her phone puts it in the into
00:24:50
the bathroom later. Using the water completely plays
00:24:52
music turns on the water, you know?
00:24:54
Yep. And so I think, Maybe even just
00:24:57
like a little bit of explanation, but I guess they
00:24:59
were trying to that. You wasn't trying to like give
00:25:03
us the whole Spiel then and there so.
00:25:05
But but that tradecraft kind of writing from Jack car which you
00:25:09
kind of get from of insulin which definitely goes back.
00:25:12
Even to the earlier spymaster, you know, style writers.
00:25:15
We don't even come through so much better.
00:25:17
We don't get that here, right, we don't it.
00:25:19
Yeah, so well, I think that that's never been his, it's not
00:25:24
something he does really, you know, he He has a, he has his
00:25:28
own style. We've talked about before, is
00:25:30
very staccato, he writes dialogue very well because he's
00:25:34
just, you know, as a screenwriting background.
00:25:38
You know, he likes to write those descriptions.
00:25:41
That tell us about people's futures.
00:25:43
I think like, you know, that's screen.
00:25:45
Writing 101, right? Like you put a little paragraph
00:25:48
that no one ever sees that because it's just, it's put
00:25:51
there to give. It's like a director.
00:25:54
Yeah, it's put there to give the actor the director.
00:25:56
Dr. Anyone like context for you know like Sam looks knowingly
00:26:03
off into the distance contemplating their future.
00:26:05
The fact that they're going to, you know, do you know?
00:26:06
It's just like all right this is that's what it is.
00:26:09
I'm supposed to I'm supposed to convey this getting that my
00:26:13
actions word. Yeah, exactly.
00:26:15
But now since we're reading we get to actually read it.
00:26:18
It's cool. So yeah yeah yeah, I think I
00:26:23
definitely like that, about Chris howdy style.
00:26:25
I think here you see, See the fact that he does that almost
00:26:29
sacrificing other things which are the trade craft you know,
00:26:33
Haley's not a spy and so if she had some of those skills or
00:26:37
other characters did it'd be kind of cool, but no, they're
00:26:39
just like security guards right there, their supreme court
00:26:43
security or the u.s. marshals. It's just a different group of
00:26:46
people and so, maybe I'm expecting the wrong thing, but I
00:26:50
think some of that would be cool and Haley, does it?
00:26:54
It's just maybe some of the other characters.
00:26:56
I was wondering to I was like is she eventually going to be in
00:26:59
Publius? You know like right right almost
00:27:02
are getting so invested in him. I could see him a book from now,
00:27:06
two books are now whatever being brought into the fold of Publius
00:27:09
somehow. But then I'm like I don't really
00:27:13
know if he's cut out for that kind of work, you know, he's not
00:27:16
really the profile. So no, but he was a couple
00:27:20
things at odds. He was a solid and maybe this
00:27:24
couldn't sort of turned us into the scorecard.
00:27:25
He was a solid good guy, you know, someone who comes in for a
00:27:30
book, we understand his motivations, we get a peek into
00:27:33
his life and then we move on, you know, like those characters
00:27:36
are essential to making good. Serialization novels, you know.
00:27:42
Yeah, that's a, that's a big positive.
00:27:44
I will agree with you completely.
00:27:45
I'm good to get into it because right there, you know, that's
00:27:48
going to add a point or two alone because I did like Shaw,
00:27:52
All right. What about the action?
00:27:54
How was the action for you? Kind of, you know, how light on
00:27:57
action? Yeah.
00:28:00
No, I mean, we can, what sort of actions is do we get we get the
00:28:05
bar scene, the bar fight, but that's not much.
00:28:08
Yeah, we get the okay, we get this weird cut away to forget
00:28:13
the purpose. Exactly.
00:28:14
I think it was gun betting on these two criminals one chooses
00:28:20
a blowtorch, That was a weird scene, I had to listen to that.
00:28:24
See that, you know, the audiobook.
00:28:26
I had to listen to that chapter twice to like Understand why we
00:28:30
were here, I think like the sole purpose of it is just too.
00:28:34
I think he was very interested with the, you know, involving
00:28:37
Mexican drug cartel. I think like you know the fact
00:28:39
that we got a chapter called like saturnine her story and
00:28:43
like ha story like yep all of the we got the backstory he was
00:28:46
really intent on fulling, immersing us with it with the,
00:28:52
you know, the drug cartel portion of this novel.
00:28:55
Yeah, I think that was just another step in it is to explain
00:28:59
These are not people to fuck with ya and I you know, I'm
00:29:02
going to get this Bitcoin, you know, but I better not start to
00:29:07
steal it but he was going to try to see what anyways, so like,
00:29:09
you know, I don't know. Yeah it reminded me of storm
00:29:13
Rising where we had some boxing match, or there's like a brawl
00:29:16
on an army base. Like they was a boxing match.
00:29:20
They were just putting money on a boxing match between these
00:29:23
people and Haley shows up. It kind of felt like let's do
00:29:26
something similar to that but in the Mexican drug cartel with
00:29:30
weapons. And so, like, I just want to
00:29:32
show like a blowtorch versus chainsaw.
00:29:34
And like, let's see what happens.
00:29:36
Okay, cool. Like if I'm watching some sort
00:29:39
of bizarre movie that I can expect that from, but it was
00:29:43
just so unexpected here. I don't know, it felt a little
00:29:47
out of place, but but for action, I would say the best
00:29:50
action and it's more suspense than it is action is the
00:29:54
kidnapping And maybe this goes to plot but I liked Bode.
00:29:59
If we're talking good, guys, right?
00:30:01
I like the teenagers and, and the girl I forgive him Michaela
00:30:04
or something, Makaha, I years ago?
00:30:07
And the Hawaiian name, right? I really liked the teenagers,
00:30:13
especially one of my favorite things they did.
00:30:15
And again, not quite action, but they put Bode in this knife
00:30:18
fight and he, I think he gets slashed somewhere, but they're
00:30:23
filming it. Oh, they want.
00:30:25
Cut off the bus drivers ear and they're filming all this to show
00:30:28
to sha like look we're not fucking around so they pretend
00:30:31
they're going to kill Bodie. And then cut the camera before
00:30:34
they actually do. But he's able to scratch the
00:30:37
name of the beach. He thinks they're at he thinks
00:30:40
he knows her body. That was cool, that was cool.
00:30:42
He scratches it in the sand and then as he rolls over in the
00:30:45
video they say it and Shaw picks up on that that he wrote that
00:30:49
there is a clue. So you know, little suspenseful
00:30:52
kind of action plays like that or really cool.
00:30:55
Is there enough of an action set piece?
00:30:58
That Drew me in a whole lot? Biggest and the biggest is the
00:31:02
end, right? Is the gunfight with the the
00:31:05
twins at the airport and and then like the gunfight at this,
00:31:10
like the trail, the trail with the windmill and I will say like
00:31:13
his setting description Hawaii like had me feeling like I was I
00:31:18
was kind of there, I don't know. I'm going to give him my points
00:31:20
on setting. Like I was kind of intrigued by
00:31:23
you know digit scription zuv. You know, this bomb shelter and
00:31:27
where they're at and being in Hawaii.
00:31:29
Being it's very, you know, these various spots.
00:31:31
It's obviously a Christmas time we get it like a brief
00:31:33
description of like In DC or Virginia.
00:31:36
Like, we're the first justices killed, you know, in the
00:31:39
prologue. So right.
00:31:41
Yeah, but that I don't know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go light on
00:31:44
action. I'm gonna go like a seven, six
00:31:48
six and a half. Yeah, I was, I was between the
00:31:52
two I went with the six, just because even what I think is the
00:31:56
Capstone action sequence, where the Justice shoots, the guy
00:32:00
who's about to kill Hayley at this trail head while the Suarez
00:32:04
brothers are shooting at The cops at the airport.
00:32:07
It was all good, but was it super cool?
00:32:10
I don't know. So, I went with a six.
00:32:12
It just feet seemed very standard.
00:32:14
Very, let's have a shoot out in the woods and it's very simple.
00:32:18
So, I went down to a six on action.
00:32:20
Hookah both lat. What do you say for plot?
00:32:24
I'm gonna go like seven and a half.
00:32:26
It's like a solid plot. Yeah, I think some things with
00:32:32
the the justice and faking her death was really cool and I'm
00:32:38
going to ding something I'm buying.
00:32:39
So I'm not going to go too low on plot.
00:32:41
I'll sit at the seven going to ding something on by in a
00:32:45
minute. But I think the kidnapping stuff
00:32:47
in the plot to I did like so take your leave the big Pharma
00:32:52
stuff that's where I'm going to dig it on buying the fact that I
00:32:55
don't believe. I mean maybe I'm not even
00:32:57
thinking that. You know, a big farm is going to
00:33:01
go as drastic enough to kill two sittings of report justices,
00:33:06
just to get a change in the rolling.
00:33:08
Hmm, crazier things. I yeah, yeah, I guess like
00:33:13
crazier things are happening right now.
00:33:15
We've been presidential assassination so I don't know.
00:33:18
Maybe maybe it's just me being naive but um I don't know.
00:33:22
What were you going to give her by him?
00:33:25
So that was, that's part of what I'm going to take it on.
00:33:28
Take her leave the big Pharma stuff, I don't know if I, by
00:33:32
kidnapping, a buses Bus full of kids is going to get the family
00:33:36
friend of one of the kids to kill a Supreme Court Justice.
00:33:40
I just, I didn't know if all the pieces were falling but there
00:33:45
was if one of them was the father.
00:33:47
If one of them was the father, I believe that more.
00:33:50
Right, right. He was basically like, an uncle,
00:33:52
you know, he just knew the kids in the community.
00:33:54
A similar to like the first, how the first police officer was the
00:33:58
father, you know? Like, I could believe that,
00:34:01
right? That that one, I believed a
00:34:02
little bit more. So a little bit of a stretch
00:34:04
there and I don't know why it shaped up that way.
00:34:06
But well, I think, because if you take, if you take Shaw's
00:34:11
kids, you know, assuming that was a possibility, he's off the
00:34:15
detail, you know, like he's not doing the job anymore.
00:34:17
So I get why you couldn't do that, you know, that made sense
00:34:23
because then Charles wouldn't be in the game.
00:34:24
You know he'd be out right? He be dealing with that but note
00:34:27
the big I guess, the fact that everyone knows.
00:34:30
Sorry the fact that because Haley even says this well it
00:34:33
could be any of the people because this community is so
00:34:35
tight. It could be any of the US
00:34:38
Marshals who are here because they all everyone knows each
00:34:40
other so yeah I guess exactly. I'm sort of kind of dick to
00:34:43
myself there. But all right.
00:34:44
What's your big glaring thing? Okay, the big one is The
00:34:49
Coincidence when Hayley is at the supermarket and sees
00:34:54
saturnino, the Mexican blonde guy with dry ice in coolers and
00:34:59
all of a sudden is like he's harvesting body parts from kids.
00:35:03
Who got kidnapped on a school bus and I know that wasn't it.
00:35:06
I know it wasn't that quick a jump, and we did get to hear her
00:35:10
Thinking Out Loud of how she put it together.
00:35:13
But a little bit of a coincidence of this guy is here.
00:35:18
He's raiding the pharmacy, she's a gun.
00:35:22
She sees a gun. Yeah, she sees a gun.
00:35:25
She follows the guy, I don't know if seeing a gun is enough
00:35:28
to go off Mission and I get a lot of people like Haley, they
00:35:33
have the Vibes, you know, they passed the vibe check like, the
00:35:36
hairs go up on your arm. Your spidey sense is tingling.
00:35:39
That means something and you're going to follow it.
00:35:42
But just a bit of a stretch that this saturnino character is
00:35:46
right there. Stealing the drugs, Haley season
00:35:49
with a gun follows him in and then later on, they're able to
00:35:52
put together. Oh, he's one of the kidnappers,
00:35:54
and there's a cooler for harvesting body parts.
00:35:56
I'm like, Bit of a stretch I'm going to on buying sorry II.
00:36:03
Thought you could have done that a little bit better in the sense
00:36:06
that she sees it. She'll pull her back and is like
00:36:11
you know, half the people have guns here.
00:36:12
Let's get out of here exactly because they leave he continues
00:36:16
to do the whole thing. He steals the medicine and then
00:36:21
she's like, somehow shall finds out that the this guy random guy
00:36:26
like stole this medicine and then because he knows the one
00:36:30
kid has epilepsy. They put it together.
00:36:31
Exactly. That's what I wanted.
00:36:34
That's what I wanted. Yeah, instead of her said, Haley
00:36:37
is just like uses. Yeah.
00:36:39
She put literally solves everything like from running
00:36:42
into one of the bad guys. It was a little bit of a little
00:36:45
bit of convenience, you know, opportunity.
00:36:48
Yeah. I'ma go two and a half.
00:36:51
What about the bad guys? The bad guys.
00:36:56
Wasn't too bad in on this gun guy.
00:36:59
We got Carranza, we got Lozano. We've got the Suarez Brothers
00:37:03
together. They're all right.
00:37:04
And I do like the idea of taking a chapter to go through the
00:37:08
backstory of each, one of them saturnino from the beginning is
00:37:14
just not in it. He really I doesn't seem.
00:37:18
There's no reason for me to believe he's going to be in with
00:37:21
these guys. This deep I know which we got an
00:37:24
explainer about it and why I don't know if it was enough to
00:37:27
get me and then, When he's playing both sides or he has
00:37:31
some empathy for the kids. I'm glad we see that but I just
00:37:35
don't know if it's, it really defines.
00:37:38
The people who are running in these circles and doing those
00:37:40
things thought it was a little unrealistic to have him thrown
00:37:44
into the pot with guys as bad. As the Suarez brothers, who one
00:37:47
of them decapitated a dude with a steak knife?
00:37:49
Like, I don't know, I just something about them.
00:37:53
All wasn't yelling for me. I, I also got to go to out of 5.
00:37:57
I almost thought that he was going to be An undercover we're
00:38:00
going to find out that he was right.
00:38:03
An actual good guy like instead of just like be became a good
00:38:07
guy but like an actual you know undercover cop that would have
00:38:11
been interesting. Yeah, so yeah, I think we just
00:38:15
we didn't get it. We had too many.
00:38:16
This is this is a problem we bring about often.
00:38:21
When you have too many bad guys vying for Supremacy, you know,
00:38:26
not and you don't give even though he gave him those
00:38:29
interesting. Backstory chapters.
00:38:32
It just didn't do enough for me. I'm angry with you with the to.
00:38:35
So yeah, going low, go and low but I think good guys are going
00:38:40
to be high. Oh yeah, I think we got two
00:38:42
really good categories left to talk about and it's a good guys.
00:38:46
You said it before, Shaw's are really believable character.
00:38:50
I'm very glad we're in his shoes for I would say, most of the
00:38:54
chapters, I would say, maybe the most like the main character, he
00:38:58
gets more page time than Haley. Quite possibly, so, or words,
00:39:01
Equal. Yeah, I think I'm going to get
00:39:04
four and a half to the good guys, I like them.
00:39:07
And then the kids, like I said, Bodie and the other kids, I
00:39:10
really like them. Yeah no good because the kids
00:39:13
I'll give it also gonna for now I'm gonna go for it.
00:39:15
I'll give it four and a half like that that the the kids
00:39:18
storyline. And, you know, even putting
00:39:22
like, the, this dipshit bus driver, who is a realist and
00:39:27
like his, a chicken, like not having him be like the muscle,
00:39:33
the superhero guy, like, having him actually be like someone
00:39:35
who, you know, it might actually do that if they were put in that
00:39:39
situation, you know, it's some realism there.
00:39:42
And so I enjoyed that. He probably plays video games
00:39:47
lives in his mom's basement, kind of thing.
00:39:50
They said he likes when he's not driving the bus.
00:39:52
He's smoking weed. So yeah.
00:39:53
Yeah. Our well, you said you liked the
00:39:56
setting. You like the Hawaii stuff.
00:39:59
I'm going to agree with you. I'm going to hit it up for.
00:40:01
I'm gonna give it a four. I just wish the solid announced
00:40:05
it. It's a solid for I think like I
00:40:08
said I wanted some more DC balancing it out a little bit
00:40:11
more with what's going on in the home front and politicking in
00:40:15
the in the capital. But as I'm actually going to
00:40:18
take away another half point from buy-in because I don't buy
00:40:21
in the whole Locker one. like, essentially becoming soliciting
00:40:29
the this Supreme Court Justice Just to make money and I just
00:40:33
didn't I didn't buy that we kind of like touched on it earlier
00:40:35
but The whole like big, the big plot twist at the end was
00:40:39
supposed to be that and I just it left me feeling weird, like I
00:40:43
didn't need that. Like, he could have just died
00:40:45
and then the story would have been just as good her just the
00:40:49
same. I thought he might have been the
00:40:51
one feeding information tipping off the cartel and whatnot the
00:40:54
whole time. I thought he was a little
00:40:57
nefarious, but then we kind of flip to the Justice talking
00:41:01
about how she can't live without him and she loves him so much
00:41:04
and she gave imagine a world. Without him I'm like this is out
00:41:07
of left field, I'd be getting the vibe the whole time that she
00:41:10
kind of doesn't love him. It's almost going to be a
00:41:12
marriage of convenience in some sense.
00:41:15
And then she goes on some, you know, tirade about their love is
00:41:19
so deep and what she'll do without him.
00:41:21
And she feels so bad that he thinks she's dead.
00:41:23
I was like it felt a little forced and I kind of was
00:41:28
thinking he was bad anyway. So as far as how he twists go,
00:41:32
you know that's a Hallmark of the series, right?
00:41:35
You're going to get a howdy twist.
00:41:36
And this one didn't land is hard.
00:41:39
Yeah. Definitely not as hard as
00:41:41
finding out that the president is a Russian mole.
00:41:43
That's that's for sure. Now, I don't think anything's
00:41:45
going to top that. You can't top deep state that
00:41:48
that was the definition of a howdy Twisted done perfectly and
00:41:52
then Haley start speaking Russian.
00:41:54
It's like damn that was good stuff.
00:42:00
Yeah, so you want to do cover or free space?
00:42:04
Um, we talk cover for a second. He is to cover its I kind of
00:42:11
like it. Yeah.
00:42:13
Same. I like the layout.
00:42:16
I like the marble white background.
00:42:19
Mmm. But I'm going to contradict
00:42:21
myself Sunset. You get the sunset.
00:42:24
You get the palm trees. Definitely a Hawaiian Vibe
00:42:28
inside the letters. I almost wish.
00:42:31
The two were inverted. In terms of judging a cover by
00:42:35
the book. I don't think it would work as
00:42:38
well, stylistically. I think I love this cover for
00:42:41
the style, but in terms of Judge, a cover by the book, I
00:42:46
would love to see a Hawaii cover with the text being, the marble
00:42:50
white Columns of the Supreme Court because to me, that's a
00:42:55
much smaller part of the story or at least a smaller part of
00:42:58
the setting and Hawaii is really where we're at.
00:43:02
So Hawaii, A school bus, something like that, a beach?
00:43:06
The waves. Bodie surfing.
00:43:09
I think I would have liked to see something like that, as
00:43:13
opposed to the Supreme Court, dominating the cover, but then
00:43:16
you have a nod to the Supreme Court right now.
00:43:20
That's a good. You should ask chat GPT to make
00:43:24
that for you. That's cool.
00:43:27
Yeah, I mean, it's it's a solid cover.
00:43:29
I think, you know, it's not, it's like a three, it's perfect.
00:43:33
Medium. You know nothing.
00:43:35
Nothing bad nothing. Nothing.
00:43:37
Great. Maybe three and a half.
00:43:39
I don't know. Yeah.
00:43:42
We went with the seymours we've seen.
00:43:44
We've seen worse, so we don't have another cover.
00:43:48
So like I feel like that's also bring it down, you know, that's
00:43:51
I did this. This is the only thing standing
00:43:53
right now. So, sometimes a cover, B, or C
00:43:56
could actually help. If one of them is really what?
00:43:58
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:43:59
For sure. All right, who's your who's your
00:44:02
winner, which what's your free space?
00:44:03
You might winner, I talked about it, I'm going to go with that
00:44:06
stretch of the book from the moment Haley says, justice
00:44:10
Fisher, must die and then they hatched the plot to hide her all
00:44:14
the way up through. Because it's I think it's like a
00:44:15
three chapter swing that just keeps you invested the whole
00:44:18
time that ends with Bodie and the knife fight and him
00:44:23
revealing the location the beach.
00:44:24
They think they're at I just think that I don't know 50 60
00:44:28
page stretch right in the middle.
00:44:30
Was so gripping. And well done, if that could
00:44:33
have been expanded the whole book, my score would have been
00:44:35
10 12 points higher for sure. Because that one scene was just
00:44:40
really, really cool. I really liked how that story
00:44:44
was told so that little section is my winner.
00:44:48
Okay. Okay.
00:44:50
You kind of took mine but now. Okay.
00:44:54
Well, I have a couple more so I could, like I said it, we kind
00:44:58
of talked about in good guys, but I like these Other
00:45:02
characters that we get there's even like some cool, you know,
00:45:06
descriptions like the guy she fights like that whole story was
00:45:09
interesting talking about the justices bodyguard.
00:45:16
He's a native Hawaiian. Oh, that guy was great.
00:45:19
Yeah, that Jeremiah Was. Yeah.
00:45:22
Jeremiah. Oh Jeremiah is the free space
00:45:24
bro. I forgot about him like Chris
00:45:27
how he does a good thing like of elevating, these minor
00:45:29
characters that. You know, it just adds a little
00:45:32
more context, a little more heft to a book.
00:45:37
When you make these character, you fill them out a little bit
00:45:39
more, you know. And the you weren't vibing with
00:45:43
the April will stuff. I, I liked it so, you know, I
00:45:47
could give it to her, I can just give it to other, you know, Side
00:45:49
characters in the novel. So so it's always free space but
00:45:55
you know you the main one is the fact that like there's this,
00:45:58
there's a solid section of this book that is like a hardcore
00:46:02
rippin and I was on this ride and I was like all right let's
00:46:06
go and then you know it was different it just it took a
00:46:10
different different things. Sort of the end wasn't wasn't my
00:46:13
cup of tea I'm sure many of our listeners are going to enjoy it.
00:46:16
Yeah, yeah I would recommend this book.
00:46:19
You know, I wouldn't I wouldn't say not read it but you know,
00:46:22
It's, I'm always in interested to see what when Haley, chills
00:46:27
up to next. So, absolutely, absolutely that.
00:46:30
That's the real winner here, as we got more Haley.
00:46:32
Chill. You know, all Thriller readers
00:46:35
when, when there is more Haley, chill out in the universe.
00:46:39
I think, though, wrapping it up there, I would like to do a
00:46:43
little Chris, howdy rankings. Now that we've got essentially
00:46:46
five, books, four and a half, really, I think it'd be a little
00:46:49
fun to rank them. So, what do you say?
00:46:51
We make that That a patron, special, a patron, only episode
00:46:55
you and I do a little chat, ranking the four-and-a-half.
00:46:59
Chris, howdy books that we have, sounds good to me.
00:47:03
You know, while we're at it, we can also maybe do like you said
00:47:06
his side characters are great, you know, top side characters,
00:47:09
fail each ill or who would join Publius.
00:47:12
You know, who you want to see from another Thriller join.
00:47:15
Publius will do like an all Chris.
00:47:17
Howdy Patron, special rank the books and just talk about some
00:47:20
other various Topics in And how he is.
00:47:23
Now let's let's let's definitely do that I guess, but before we
00:47:26
go just you kind of mention that you wanted to do this.
00:47:29
Just give me like a two minute break down of what What are you
00:47:35
looking for in the next Haley? Chill novel.
00:47:39
Yeah, I said that earlier and then I kind of went on to make
00:47:42
my point. Anyway, I'm looking for Publius.
00:47:45
I mean, right? Yeah, so that's a gonna see.
00:47:49
We know what Hailey can do, we want to see her do more of it
00:47:52
but she was almost at her base best when she had the living
00:47:55
April or you know, this relationship with Andrew wild.
00:48:00
There was a split second. I gotta say and I don't Not know
00:48:04
if this was intentional, a split second where I wondered about
00:48:08
him if he was the informant. I think it was the most
00:48:13
interesting Hayley gives him the address of the hotel where
00:48:17
Fisher is hiding out. Right.
00:48:20
And Shaw says, is that a good idea?
00:48:22
He says, is that a good idea and she doesn't essentially vouch
00:48:28
all that much for wild and then also we see the bad guys on the
00:48:31
Move. They're like heading there, you
00:48:33
know, right. So I'm like, we had a leak.
00:48:36
Very few people know about this who's the leak and his, he
00:48:40
popped into my mind, Jack car did that to us recently in the
00:48:45
most recent book, making us wonder if a certain somebody is
00:48:48
is leaking Secrets or is dark. I got, I got, I was a little on
00:48:53
edge there. So I think we need Andrew wild,
00:48:55
we need Publius. We need a behind the curtains of
00:48:58
how they operate and what they're doing.
00:49:01
Instead of just a side Adventure on Hawaii, you know?
00:49:04
Is what this was? Yeah.
00:49:06
Yeah, no. I totally agree and I can DC, we
00:49:09
need more DC. We need more DC.
00:49:11
Can't wait to see, you know, where, where we go, next.
00:49:13
I think we've sort of turn the chapter on her emotional, you
00:49:19
know, maybe it's obviously still going to be in touch.
00:49:20
No one like gets over that but I think you know, she's conquered
00:49:24
this this inner devil that she knows and yeah, we're ready to
00:49:28
turn the page and get get back into Publius.
00:49:31
So What are we talking about? Next time we get together.
00:49:35
Mike. Oh, that's a good question.
00:49:38
What do we have? We doing we gotta do a breadth
00:49:40
or write the full black. We gotta do full black on the
00:49:44
breadth or pod. I did put together that little
00:49:46
graphic I sent you of our reading list for the rest of the
00:49:49
year so we will be publishing now that it is June.
00:49:53
The the Midway point of 2023, we've got full black.
00:49:58
We're going to go back to a little old-school Kyle Mills, we
00:50:01
said we wanted to read fade. Before the release of Code Red.
00:50:06
And believe it or not just a month or so we've got Ryan
00:50:11
Stacks next book. Lethal range coming out so we'd
00:50:14
love to have him back on the pot and talk about his book.
00:50:16
Number two. So we got a little Thor Mills
00:50:20
stack and we're going to throw in some Don Bentley all in
00:50:24
advance of code red and we have Brad, Brad doors, new novel as
00:50:28
well. Don't forget about that, right
00:50:31
Deadfall, that's July. So that's July that soon as
00:50:34
well. Yeah, so we got it.
00:50:36
Have a jam-packed. Also got a book in the mail
00:50:38
today that I even I don't even know the author is so did you
00:50:40
get this book? Know what is it hits outside?
00:50:43
It's all like on my porch like I was open it by Patrick thought
00:50:47
it was a present for him so he opened it and put he was
00:50:49
disappointed. It was a book so I meant to text
00:50:52
you about it but yeah we're getting send unsolicited arcs of
00:50:55
like new Authors. That David was just to come
00:50:57
around on the on the pot. So.
00:50:59
Oh boy, we're getting some steam.
00:51:01
Hey, Patrick, happy birthday. Happy seventh birthday.
00:51:04
Here's the order to kill Yeah, seventh birthday.
00:51:07
Here's American Assassin, exactly.
00:51:12
We're reading The Hardy Boys right now.
00:51:13
So classics classics. Very nice.
00:51:16
Let me know. It's actually Hobbit.
00:51:18
It's actually The Hardy Boys, Junior.
00:51:21
It's like one of The Hardy Boys has two kids.
00:51:24
That are like The Hardy Boys, so it's funny.
00:51:26
Yeah. Oh, that's cool.
00:51:29
Yeah, and he can like read it because it's a little more has
00:51:33
more pictures? So yeah.
00:51:35
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00:51:52
And as always Getting shit done. Dude, I love that line.
00:51:59
Do you remember that line where it said?
00:52:02
Haley chill. Her superpower was to get shit
00:52:04
done. That was classic fro.
00:52:07
Love them, it's classic. Chill right there.