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Hey guys, I'm Chris. and Mike, the welcome back to this week's
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No Limits, the Thriller podcast, what's happening this week, Mike
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Hey, we just got a big announcement within the last 24
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hours. I think the fans are going to
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like this one. Why don't you go ahead, Christen
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and tell us what the news is. Yeah.
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So I saw I saw someone posted it.
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It was it in our group, our group me chat with patrons.
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Yeah, and my dad in, I saw an Instagram was like, it was the
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deadline story and it was Jack said, interesting story.
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And it was season 2 of the terminal list as well as other
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interesting wrinkle Greenland is a prequel series with the Taylor
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Kitsch which Ben Edwards are, you know, the bad guy we all
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liked and then hated he gets his own prequel.
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What do you think of that? That was a shock I love it.
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I think it's a great idea and I think it's just a great signal
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that this universe Amazon is committing to it because with
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all the talks of season 2 going so long, some of us were
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wondering, hey, did things hit a snag?
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Is everything going. All right.
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And it turns out it's a complete opposite.
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They were also doing talks for spin-off Series so it's great to
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see that they love this. They don't just want to do these
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stories. They want to expand the
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universe. Verse, and I think Ben Edwards
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is a great character to get into.
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He was really well, written in the terminal list on TV.
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Taylor, Kitsch performance was amazing and it was always this
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like mystery, you know, that CIA guy, he was the spooky, you
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wanted to know more about him. Yeah, I think like ultimately
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comes down to how well catch performed him on screen, you
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know, obviously they, they're like, there's some things here.
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If we can get him to come back, I think we can do something with
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that. Yeah, it's interesting to why,
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you know, everyone at it seems it took a while for them to come
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to agreement with the second season.
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I don't know if it coincided with, you know, all the
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craziness that's been going on with, you know, layoffs at
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Netflix and having to these different streamers having to
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Pivot to, you know they can't just be about growth they have
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to be about making money so they're they're launching these
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add tea recipe. Everyone's sort of been pulling
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back on what they have to focus on Amazon is no different even
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though Jeff Bezos has all the money in the world to do
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whatever he wants. But I think realistically they
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had to think about. All right, we have something
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here. Let's let's not rush into this
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and I'm glad that they didn't rush into it.
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I'm glad you know, we're not going to just get the second
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season, you know, this year, they're going to take their
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time. I'd rather them take their time.
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The second book is so special. I really, you know, we had you
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have that amazing for a series. I'm really intrigued to see what
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they can do with the second book.
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Oh yeah. I mean, who knows if they're
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going to go season-by-season matching up book for book, I
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would love to see all of True Believer in a season.
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I don't know how it translates to film.
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So I think we gotta trust the, the team, you know, because Jack
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is brought into the fold and Chris Pratt has such a heavy
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involvement in this with his production company.
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So, I think we're in, good hands that however, they do it if they
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speed up, True Believer, if they really On certain parts of it if
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they move away from the Ukraine and the presidential
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assassination storyline, I think I'll be okay if they make some
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changes here, the same way, I think most decisions in season
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one turned out. Okay.
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And we're all right or a few that were questionable but I
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think we're in good hands and hearing how invested Chris Pratt
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is. That's another good signal.
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He even posted the clip from the very end of the last episode.
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With him and as James Reese on the boat with the map and
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plotting out his course. So I feel like it Jack surprise
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was awesome. When he said, huh?
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Interesting article at was like wetting.
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My whistle seeing Chris Pratt posting about it having the
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sailboat scene on his timeline you know just reminding people
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where the show left off. I think it's just beautiful.
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It's a great roll out. It's what we've been waiting for
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too bad though. We couldn't talk about it with
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Tyler below because we had already recorded today's episode
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but you know, you know us will get his thoughts.
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Eventually we'll have him back. Yeah, for sure.
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Very excited about this. Yeah, and I hope you enjoy part
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two of our talk with Tyler. You know, before we get there
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though, there was something in part one that I had missed
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jumping the gun. I just, I just know you enjoy my
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Limerick so much. I want to make sure you get it
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here. Chris, I want to make sure you
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have time to let it sink in since it with it.
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Yeah, I forgot to do this on part one.
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So here we are. And actually for all my
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criticisms of the book, I think I wrote a pretty good Limerick
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for this one, there you go. There you can into my own horn a
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little bit right there. The president has a list for
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James Reese of terrorists whose lives must cease.
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A virus drives. The plot, is it respiratory or
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not Justice for 911 or no? Peace.
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That's a good one like I like that.
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Is it respiratory or not line there that the question you know
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we gotta remember to bring before we get into our talk with
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Tyler we got to remember to bring in this idea of
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presidential transitions because you know I guess a little plug
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here for our other podcasts are sister podcast.
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Scott Horvath pod where next month we're going to be doing
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the apostle that book is also going through a presidential
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transition. I think it might be a cool
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little bottle episode. We could do to talk about we've
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now in the couple different series that we've done.
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We've seen a couple of these and to see how each author sort of
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tackles this idea of transfer of power.
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What ideals they likes to Institute with new presidents as
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they arise because it is in skin.
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Now, Scott is dealing with new. President Reese is dealing with
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the president, you'll have to deal with another new president
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in the next upcoming book, you know.
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So this is, I don't know. Keep maybe keep this in the back
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of your mind when I'm when we're while we're reading the next
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book and as well as the new Jack are novel.
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That comes out. That's a great thought because I
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just got to those scenes in the breadth or Series in the
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Apostle. And so yeah, that's season 2 of
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No Limits, the Scott Horvath podcast and we're actually gonna
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be getting a new president and an announcement very soon in the
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coming days, if it hasn't happened, while you guys are
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listening in the Mitch wrap Series, right?
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As we are going to be active on. The OG podcast.
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No Limits, The Mitch rap podcast season one giving you the
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breakdown of the title reveal. We're going to get the reveal of
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rap book. Number 22, I think there's going
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to be a new president. We're kind of moving on from the
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cooks. You know, I think the cook Sarah
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is waning. So yeah, we get really got to
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keep track of these presidential Transitions and we could do it
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on the Metro a podcast. This got Horvath podcast.
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And now with James Reese, will see what happens.
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Lots more to come. Um, from the No Limits Thriller
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pod. We have to talk about like the
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criminals here. And yeah, we got to talk about
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the bad guys in the sense of Lee and Sebastian, as well as you
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know, if you want to call them that villains, you know, Senator
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thwaite and thought and Sawyer, yeah, I don't know, I was kind
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of down on them a little bit because I've seen a version of
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this in a lot of insulin levels. In terms of pitting both you
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have the I ideological villain and the terms of you have a big
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bad who is Al Qaeda Isis, some sort of Middle Eastern
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terrorists. And then you, you juxtapose them
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against an internal villain in the politicians and like, this
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was just like it was like a Vince win light.
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Would you agree with that? Mike?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Light light light. Light light Ultra.
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I gotta they didn't need to be there.
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No, you could have gotten rid of the whole Masada storyline and
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the center the Wade. And I wanted to bring this up to
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there's two scenes where we find out that Nazar Catan, our
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villain from the last novel. And you know who's going to be
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our villain in the next level is on retainer for Masada yet.
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I would just ask them like this before you hopped on Tyler.
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Is Mossad is not mentioned at all and in the blood.
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No nope, yeah. So that's definitely something
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that Jack just dropped. Yeah.
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And then to make both the last chapter, which I know we're not
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there yet and the epilogue all about Wrapping up Loose Ends,
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they're loose ends that at this point in time.
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I don't care too much about like on.
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These are Katana in the epilogue is great if you know in the
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blood. But so this book just in the
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last chapter wants to tease you for the next one when it had
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nothing to do with the rest of the story.
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Yeah. And we're going to go on a side
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plot at the very end to kill a random guy who was The
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Mastermind of all this that we never heard about before.
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And The Mastermind of 9/11 like, was that a MacGuffin of just
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like everything else going on? Why is that the culminating
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final scene of those two guys that aljawhari and is are Catan
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when they had nothing to do with the other 80 plus chapters
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Anyway, Mike's over there were the hole puncher pokin holes in
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this story. I'm gonna take a break now.
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Let's talk, let's say guys real quick, Chris what did you go
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Ali? You said you like the bad guys?
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Okay. So like I like that, the, the
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bad guys that are engineering the virus and everything that
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they are just, you know, there's nothing relatable or likable
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about them, that's their part. And that's what they need to be.
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They, I hate whenever stories try and make characters like
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that, a little, even a little Well, I like the senator and the
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private military Guy. Cannot remember, his name to
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save my lawyer. Yes, Warrior are.
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I like, I like their banter back and forth.
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I really like Sawyer as a character for some reason, he is
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like a likable, bad guy, like his background and something
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else. I really liked is the to see the
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two surveillance douche bags that are following reefs around
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there, like, on the great. They're so great that those two,
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those two like deserve like their own sitcom.
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Because it's so, I'll give you the one guy.
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There's one line where Jack City?
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Oh, I'm gonna, I'm going to rub one out to this later.
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Yeah. Yeah, doing something every
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student. Yeah.
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It's because it's because James was missing in the obviously he
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had like him and him and Katie had had combat with, like, this
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huge group of dudes in the back of his van, and James comes over
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the guardrail. And he sees the do we have known
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about that scene? Because that's probably like the
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best action scene. Yes, I agree.
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That scene is great. Yeah he sees the dude smoking
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the cigarette from Like, you know, a couple like it's 50
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yards or something like that, just put them down.
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And then they're like, oh shit. He just he just took out the
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driver. Yeah.
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It was dirty. Yes, already All right, so if we
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want to talk about that scene, that that is the destruction of
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the precious Land Cruiser. Yeah.
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So this book doesn't have sort of a whole lot of action.
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I guess there's the query captures.
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I lie in Denver. There's that scene at the house
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which was kind of cool. There's you know, where he gets
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run off the road or IP, there's where he gets I guess at the
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very end when you know Woody and other guy get captured but
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besides that there's and I guess if you want to, it's more
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suspenseful in terms of the scene at Fort Detrick where they
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steal. Yeah, that's definitely
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suspense. I think, I think the the rankers
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are getting ran off the road and the contact with the group and
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the sorry, it's just escaped me. There's just another part that I
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thought was a little bit action-packed but that's it.
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There's like too big like Center.
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Peace action action sections. Oh the I'm sorry.
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The Hazmat house fight is cool. The house fire is pretty cool.
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Yeah, at the lab that is really cool.
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Each book if you if you think about it I can't remember the
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one and True Believer but like each book has like a you know, a
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torture scene in each book has a hand-to-hand combat, very
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fast-paced. Well-written fighting seem like
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a Savage Sun its with the guy at the end that in the snow.
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All right, the bear. So yeah.
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And then in In the next one. After this, in the blood, it's
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in the meat locker, the meat locker fight scene.
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Right, right, right. So yeah that's that scene you
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know it kind of like comes out of nowhere right there.
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Just was this after they went to the Italian restaurant leg over
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this does this is yeah lending. He's an old-time.
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Yeah. Is that a real place?
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It is. Yeah.
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It's a it's a little more touristy because it's all the
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way down towards the Waterfront. It's like at the very end of
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King Street, but yeah, they've been there forever.
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I've never not good enough for Mike.
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I think it's just one of those overpriced places and you know I
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got fine taste here tie. You know?
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I do. Yeah.
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But it kind of comes out of nowhere and then you're
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immediately put in the action, right?
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We now cut to a couple different chapters where we're going
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through this like all right, who the hell at first?
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I thought it was Masada. The Masada crew taking them out.
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Then I quickly realized they cut back to the, you know, this
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Woody and the other character like what the fuck happened to
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like, it's not them. So who is it now?
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And then they say they speak Farsi saying you, you piece
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together that someone who Iranian ties, cool descriptions
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of like, you know, obviously throughout the entire novel, he
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puts in different trainings that he has to go through.
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So, he talks about the training that he had, like, on this
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helicopter where they flip the helicopter upside down a
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helicopter cab upside down, and put it into water and taught
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him, like, how to how to get out.
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Yeah, that's a really solid them and had had to do the same
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thing. When you're blindfolded.
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Yep. Because what happens when it
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goes in the water at night, obviously, it's fucking bad ass
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when he kills. You know, the two guys with in
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later on in describes how he probably saw the cigarette, just
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pointed for you, after the to the left and it took them out.
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Yeah. So I love that he, you know, so
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they go to that abandoned building and Katie.
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I think his hurt. Correct.
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And right, she, I think she still helps out a little bit
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from what I recall. Yeah, yeah, she gets.
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She gets her first kill, I think.
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Yeah, yeah. And that was another thing.
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They talk about is their really advancing their self
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preparedness and their training together with with Ox, I think
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You just found my free space winner of the book oximetry.
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I wish we saw it. I would love a novella a little
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short story of ox training up, Katie.
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I just, it saves them in that fight.
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Yeah, for sure hope when they're, when they're going one,
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after the other one covers one runs.
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And next one covers next one, runs the other piggybacking and
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talk show them that I thought that was so cool.
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Yeah, they were working in the training for K.
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I like how he explains tactics that are that makes sense.
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And that definitely Be used in those scenarios but like, it
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doesn't take up too much time. It's not boring, it's directed
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to the point. You understand it, you can
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imagine it and it works. So this scene and people may
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disagree with me, This scene, I was picturing the first time I
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read it. I was picturing, Katie beirne
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deck as she's written. So this blond newscaster, you
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know, chick much like Katie Pavlich, or somebody this time,
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I read it picturing Constance Wu in my mind and it worked, I saw
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her out there in the field. Shaking trembling getting her
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first Kill Ya, you know, piggybacking using ox's training
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training with ox and I pictured Constance Wu.
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And it worked as Katie for me, I know a lot of I feel like their
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relationship can't work the way she's been portrayed in the TV
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show. I think it can and I think it
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will. I think I know and the scene was
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an example of that to, yeah, at least.
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Yeah. I really like the hand-to-hand
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stuff. I know uses the tomahawk in that
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in that, you know, abandoned building that they're in.
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And then I love the surveillance guys trying to basically figure
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out what the hell just happened. They know he got ran off the
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road. I think that he was out of sight
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when it happens, but they were watching the GPS tracker.
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Like he's Ran off the road. And yeah, I love when James
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makes it back up to the road and just puts his two guys down.
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Throws them in the back of their van, that they came in.
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And the exact goes back for Katie and then they make their
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way out of there. I think everything from the
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house fight scene with the Hazmat stuff burning the lab
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that happened earlier, did it not?
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I I can't remember. I feel like the house fight.
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How come after after the Landcruiser?
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That's right, that's right. Either way I think that chunk
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between those two scenes With those as like, little bookends
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of action. Yeah, it was really good.
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I think, you know, crimmins and what he following him, him
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trying to track down all of the terrorists on the President's
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List. Yeah.
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Because he's there to take him out yet someone's getting to
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most of them first. Yeah, it's almost like cat and
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mouse for a little bit right there.
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Exactly. Which I think really the real
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book that's described as cat and mouse is in the blood which I
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think there's a little bit of aspect from that in here.
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This like really brings in like stuff from True Believer.
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Yes. There isn't really too much
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Savage, Sun stuff in here but definitely what eventually
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becomes in the blood is in here with cat and mouse chasing and I
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know that some people think the guy that was getting to them
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first recognized the the Land Cruiser at two of his stops.
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I think it's time we call you up and that's when the I think they
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go hand to hand while he's burning down the house.
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So as - as I've been, you guys have been really, really helpful
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reminding me of these highlights because think about this pacing,
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right? If I put my balance issues
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aside, if we opened up with the 9/11 stuff so we get to know
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christensen's motivations. Then we go to the Lie detector
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tests where we see res for the first time and then we see the
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terrorists trying out the spray in Angola.
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So like, oh crap, you know, they're going to use that on us
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to say actually. And then we see the president
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giving Reese's list, giving him the executive order that's
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allowing him to assassinate these people.
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To for, you know, retribution for 911 Reese's, checking off
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that list. But he's being tracked and it's
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this cat and mouse with the terrorists.
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Also, trying to tie up their loose.
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Ends by killing off people who were connected to 911.
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Yeah. And that kind of pacing was the
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whole story and the plot. It would have been really cool.
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Yeah. Feel like you really you guys
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really brought out some of the highlights for me and we didn't
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even mention this while you're going.
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Mike says he loves this book now it's like that.
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Heard it the whole time. My favorite Thriller actually,
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but then you combine that with our, you top that off, with the
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scene where they're deploying the units to quarantine the
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cities. I don't know how you work that
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in. Right.
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So it's like I almost feel like they were two stories going on
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here. Each could have been better or
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well served at on their own. Yeah, it's just that they got
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jumbled together because if you tell both of those two stories
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separately, they're both really, really cool.
00:20:12
Yeah. So, what did you think of the
00:20:14
dynamic of right? After the, the cool action scene
00:20:20
with the car crash? We leave Katie we don't see
00:20:22
Katie really until the end of the novel, right?
00:20:25
And instead Reese has, you know, this Haley character who is
00:20:29
conveniently Katie's best friend works with CDC again.
00:20:33
We already we're tapped into all the coincidence nonsense but you
00:20:38
know he begins to have this Dynamic with her like what did
00:20:41
you buy that? They would become you know this
00:20:45
force that would go together. She obviously Jack puts in
00:20:48
these. Yes she has like a problem in
00:20:50
the beginning with his interrogation tactics and hasn't
00:20:54
there's things. Tactics in this book are
00:20:56
awesome. There, he's so good.
00:20:58
The what was the sodium. No sucks animal, what was that?
00:21:04
I've never heard of that substance before I meant.
00:21:06
I was very glad. It wasn't pentathol or whatever
00:21:08
the truth serum is. I thought at first it was going
00:21:10
out with him. Yeah, it was like no no no no
00:21:13
please. Don't pull that one out again
00:21:14
like everyone does so you whatever it was, I think worked
00:21:17
better. Oh succinylcholine!
00:21:20
Yes, it's a depolarizing, skeletal muscle relaxant.
00:21:24
I was kind of cool where he was like Frozen and he could feel
00:21:28
hear and recognize everything being done to him but no
00:21:30
reaction. I like how he couldn't even
00:21:33
breathe on his own so they were literally, yes, rolling with the
00:21:36
breathing bag. Yeah.
00:21:37
I like many, take it away from him.
00:21:39
Yep. Yeah.
00:21:39
I like, did you buy the Haley? James Reese.
00:21:45
Interaction story. I think so.
00:21:47
I think like she just thought he was like the brute and you know
00:21:51
ridiculous and his tag in like what he's willing to do.
00:21:54
To get to where they need to be. Yes.
00:21:57
And then there's there's a certain point where like maybe
00:22:00
early on James is doing something and she would have
00:22:03
been like against it and then there's they get to a point
00:22:05
eventually where she's on board, she realizes what's at stake and
00:22:09
she she's in, once she's in, I think it's a good Dynamic and I
00:22:14
like that, there's no no romance stuff because he wrote those
00:22:18
characters for like that, for a reason, she's married.
00:22:20
And he has, he has Katie and so it seemed More like a sibling
00:22:26
thing, almost eventually, but it took a while for her to get on
00:22:29
board which I liked her, reservations about how violent
00:22:35
he was being with with people. I think that was one of the
00:22:39
better scenes of the book to where I was a little torn on.
00:22:43
I was a little put off when Katie was going through the
00:22:46
science stuff and I have this Theory and run it by the
00:22:48
president. And, you know, maybe we can hold
00:22:50
off the attack, but I did like how her medical background and
00:22:54
her journalistic background, she had to go in with him into the
00:22:58
Red Zone into the containment Zone fully kitted up.
00:23:01
Find this guy. She was horrified by what Reese
00:23:05
was saying to get the information.
00:23:07
Out of this, dude, he was going deep into the religion stuff,
00:23:10
you know? Like you, right.
00:23:11
You're not going to be with virgins after I'm done with you,
00:23:14
you know, in heaven and all this.
00:23:16
He was really laying it on thick.
00:23:18
Yeah. He said he and Burnham and burn
00:23:20
has burned his family, right? You will.
00:23:23
And they're not even going to give them a proper cremation,
00:23:25
you know? Yep.
00:23:26
According to the rituals and the fact that we could be a Haley,
00:23:29
right? Like, that's a, she was an
00:23:32
analog for the general audience, the general, you know, public,
00:23:37
Seeing what we had to do to win the war on terror, or seeing the
00:23:40
lengths, we have to go to to achieve the objective and secure
00:23:44
our you know, freedom and protect the home front and were
00:23:47
horrified by it at first, right? Like Abu ghraib and all this
00:23:49
stuff like were horrified by it but then slowly we realized why
00:23:53
sometimes we have to do what we have to do.
00:23:55
Not in that case in Iraq but in the war on terror on General.
00:23:58
And so like the way Haley was transformed, I think mimic the
00:24:02
way a lot of us, you know, lay people would come around to what
00:24:05
has to be done by the Operators in the professionals when I
00:24:08
first, it sounds horrifying. But when you realize who were
00:24:12
doing it to and why we're doing it to them, you realize it's
00:24:16
maybe a necessary evil, in some way.
00:24:19
So you're saying you would drop the bombs on the cities I'ma
00:24:23
show you we never know whatever answer that question.
00:24:27
You don't have to answer that question.
00:24:28
It's it I hope no one ever has to has to make that decision.
00:24:32
No president, no one on this podcast ever has to make that
00:24:35
decision. So yeah, I agree.
00:24:39
So what really bothered me was the fact that her husband was
00:24:45
the guy from chapter 3 surgery Was the guy with chapter 4 and
00:24:51
then they have to now go steal, this monkey monkeys, blood and
00:24:56
you know the security there is so lacks like it.
00:25:00
I don't know. Again, this is whole suspension
00:25:02
of disbelief thing. It just that's, that's when
00:25:04
we're getting to the part of the story where it lost me, just
00:25:07
gotta be along for the ride and accept that sometimes, but I
00:25:10
like him. I do.
00:25:10
Like, when they go to him and he has the 1911, I think, and tries
00:25:14
to basically turn Riesen and he makes the phone call, I like, I
00:25:19
like the The Leverage in the phone call that he has, with his
00:25:22
new, his new friend presidents on hold, for you.
00:25:25
Yeah, yeah. I like that one.
00:25:28
So Chris you might remember. I couldn't remember the order of
00:25:31
things, I think the car accident and action piece happens first
00:25:35
and then after that James leaves Katie behind and they, he goes
00:25:39
with the CDC chick and then from there they go to the
00:25:42
interrogation. And then from, there they go to
00:25:44
the Hazmat House Fight, right? Is that the order know they go
00:25:48
to the interrogation with the Zeb guy and they find out,
00:25:54
that's where they find out aren't.
00:25:54
There's there's another guy. And is it like, because remember
00:26:00
so the reason James is in this to begin with, right?
00:26:03
Is because The president gave him a kit kill list, he was
00:26:07
going to all these places. Right?
00:26:09
And at the same time Ali was going all these places.
00:26:13
Remember he snapped the pictures of Ali.
00:26:14
Yes. And so he shows him to that
00:26:16
Sebastian. Yeah.
00:26:19
So can I just read this book and I'm having a hard time remember?
00:26:23
Yeah, I also just listen to it again for the fourth or fifth
00:26:27
time. So I think that's a downfall of
00:26:31
the, the changes here, from his other.
00:26:34
Books in that, it is very long chapters and it's heavily front
00:26:38
loaded with Back stories of so many different people as very
00:26:41
Flynn, Ian Wright. Like to do that to build up a
00:26:43
back story of a character really, really take you through
00:26:47
their motivations, their childhood and whatnot.
00:26:50
But once you start doing that for six, seven, eight
00:26:52
characters, other things, get lost, and unfortunately as we're
00:26:55
seeing different plot details which could be really cool.
00:26:59
Just are harder to stick with when we're getting an
00:27:03
information overload. If you will, like, I honestly
00:27:06
can't tell you where they go. Then maybe you guys fill this in
00:27:09
for me, after they interrogate the guy in the hazmat suits
00:27:14
inside, what is it? Is it?
00:27:16
It's the, it's Dallas, right? It's outside of Dallas, it's in
00:27:19
dead are Denver there. So, that, that's their
00:27:21
independent reasons is the grad student, and right, then they
00:27:24
immediately go to his house, but the problem is that there's a
00:27:26
couple chapters in between items.
00:27:28
One, that's not one thinking like no, that's where they go.
00:27:32
It's the guy. That's where they go and break
00:27:36
through the containment Zone. That's all before the house
00:27:40
stuff. Yeah, exactly.
00:27:42
It is. She's okay, the problem is
00:27:44
there's a couple chapters where I think we go up to the senator.
00:27:47
At one point, we might even go off to Woody and and the other
00:27:52
guy and then we actually go to the house seeing with Ali.
00:27:56
If he's there, he gets a knock on the door and it's the cop.
00:27:59
And then, then we cut back to James and Haley showing up, and
00:28:04
then that's when we get, yeah, you know, the other thing
00:28:05
probably dead and the cops dead. We get the other good action.
00:28:09
The hand-to-hand combat in the Hazmat suit gets burnt, you know
00:28:13
the the fires raging and that was really cool.
00:28:16
And then after that they have to like sort of save his life as
00:28:18
they drive. They steal an ambulance and
00:28:22
drive them to the airport. Don't have to try to bring them
00:28:24
back, they ultimately don't bring them back, but they do
00:28:27
bring back the information open about that.
00:28:29
It's Marburg, and that's why they need to go.
00:28:32
Yeah. Now then that's when the
00:28:33
president talks to the public and basically says, it's over,
00:28:37
right? No, that's that's not until
00:28:40
after they actually go to the Fort Detrick thing because they
00:28:43
need confirmation. The whole thing is that they
00:28:45
they want to compare. the saying because he's that's right, I'll
00:28:48
lie during his interrogation, he sort of sews the seed of This is
00:28:53
a forced confession. Am I just telling you this you
00:28:58
know? Yeah, it's marburger.
00:29:00
Yeah, we did this. Yeah, it's only aerosolized are
00:29:02
people going to believe it. Even says it on the recording.
00:29:04
No one's going to believe this. And so the only thing they can
00:29:08
think of is, all right, we have a sample of this virus from
00:29:14
Angola but we need the original strain from Russia rather than I
00:29:19
think I know where that is. My husband has it in his back
00:29:21
Locker. Yeah.
00:29:25
You think all this should be clear for three relatively
00:29:28
intelligent adults, who some smarter than others, who we got
00:29:32
the doctor here, who just finished this book within the
00:29:34
last 24 to 48 hours. The fact that it's getting
00:29:38
jumbled, I think speaks to me, you know, like how many books
00:29:40
have we covered? Chris that we remembered much
00:29:42
more Crystal clearly than this one and I have notes here and I
00:29:45
get all my stuff and still am. Like this doesn't really fit and
00:29:50
Jive and work and flow as a plot.
00:29:52
So I think that means something is all I'm saying.
00:29:55
It's a little clunky. I'll give you that.
00:29:57
I'll give it to ya. I agree with you on that one but
00:30:00
it, but it's got a nice. There's parts of it that I
00:30:04
enjoy. That's like there's part.
00:30:05
There's there's A story here maybe just a little bit
00:30:09
half-baked. There's like, it's right where
00:30:11
he's here. There's like three.
00:30:12
Maybe there's too many stories, two weeks.
00:30:14
A yeah, you know, because I don't even run a beach with with
00:30:18
Sawyer. Like they just fly The Coop and
00:30:20
they're on some beach somewhere. I really like that part though.
00:30:23
That's because they would, they would they would piece the hell
00:30:27
out like immediately. Your I would get the fuck out of
00:30:30
there. I think maybe we saw that with
00:30:32
the mid trap series a little too much, I don't know.
00:30:35
Maybe that's what's grinding. My gears is like there was
00:30:38
always a corrupt senator who had his cronies and then when shit
00:30:40
hits the fan, he flies to an island and then Mitch rap shows
00:30:43
up and kills, you know. So do you think Chris?
00:30:46
That's, that's a a Trope or am I off with that?
00:30:49
The definitely is I think we've seen it in.
00:30:52
Not only, we've seen it in Brad. We've seen it in with Chris,
00:30:58
howdy, you know? Like it's it's a thing.
00:31:01
So, I did like muscles though when he takes out the like,
00:31:06
Masada guys who are supposed to be protecting them.
00:31:08
All he doesn't take him out but he takes him out of the game by
00:31:12
convincing them, you know, I just want your boss.
00:31:14
I got nothing to do with you. Do you really want to protect
00:31:16
this scumbag? You know, you guys are
00:31:19
operators, you have families. Like just let me through, I'm
00:31:21
gonna go take care of this guy. Your boss is a douche and we'll
00:31:24
call the day. He does zip tie them up I think,
00:31:26
but they essentially realize. Yeah, we don't want to risk Our
00:31:29
Lives defending these people. Yeah.
00:31:31
I like the I like the bar. And Island scenes and stuff with
00:31:34
Ox there. And there, you know, taking care
00:31:37
of business there. Yep.
00:31:40
And then what's the final where, how do we go from that cleaning
00:31:43
up and plus between Sawyer and sweet?
00:31:47
Are any of them? Really good kills.
00:31:48
I feel like none of the final three or four kills.
00:31:53
Even that final terrorists, I can't remember the exact name
00:31:56
and where I think he was in Iran when re sneaks up using the, you
00:31:59
know, the floating pack and he comes onto the beach.
00:32:05
I feel like none of those kills were all that memorable did any
00:32:08
of them for you rise to the level of a typical James Reese,
00:32:12
just badass, kill, they kind of are easy ones to forget.
00:32:16
I kind of agree. The one the one at the end was
00:32:19
with him on the boat and he has the AK.
00:32:21
I like that one and but other than that everything is pretty
00:32:25
passive, like all the guys after the car accident or cool.
00:32:28
Like there's a couple in there that are neat, where I can't
00:32:31
remember, if you need to reload or he loses his gun, he gets the
00:32:33
tomahawk out and goes to work. I like, I like that stuff.
00:32:37
But yeah, there's there's not a real whole lot of like
00:32:40
highlighting stuff, which isn't a bad thing.
00:32:42
Because for how many times have we said, like we think Jack
00:32:46
comes up with kills and then like creates characters to
00:32:49
justify them true. That's true.
00:32:50
That's true. True.
00:32:51
We can't have it both ways, but now, but now we're yearning for
00:32:55
that like yeah, yeah, I think that's when you've built such a
00:33:00
tone or, you know, a subset of the genre.
00:33:04
That's so uniquely you, and then you have attained away from
00:33:07
that. I think it's a double-edged
00:33:08
sword, right? Like try new things, expand
00:33:11
Branch out, but when they don't land as hard, it's like, why
00:33:14
didn't you just do what's in your wheelhouse?
00:33:16
See, you know I get that I can't have my cake and eat it too.
00:33:19
It's not all bad. I mean the next it's not like
00:33:21
the next book was this this more of this.
00:33:24
The next book is now the next one is a definitely like a turn
00:33:28
back to what we were used to. Yeah.
00:33:30
Right. You know I'd say in the blood is
00:33:32
probably the weaker of the first three but um Do you know?
00:33:38
The I personally would put it, I'd I know.
00:33:40
Tyler your weekend, we can go back into this.
00:33:44
Yeah, Terry. And, but you were hiring in the
00:33:46
blood than True Believer, but in the was definitely better than
00:33:50
doubles in for, yeah. For sure how Devil's hands.
00:33:52
I at the bottom of everybody's list.
00:33:54
I think so. Yeah.
00:33:56
Yeah. What do you say?
00:33:57
On that note? We jump into the scorecard then,
00:33:59
and, and wrap things up with our thoughts and save some time for
00:34:03
the cover discussion. The very end.
00:34:05
Let's do it, aren't we? We kind of in hashing it out but
00:34:09
Tyler action and plot you got 10 points apiece for action and
00:34:12
plot. What are you going with?
00:34:15
I'm going with, think I'm going to go with like So, there's, we
00:34:21
talked about two really good action set pieces that work
00:34:25
really well, but like this is not an action heavy book at all.
00:34:32
So that means like it should be a plot heavy book, which is also
00:34:35
a little bit of a, of a spaghetti plate.
00:34:37
So for me, I think I got to go like, I don't know, like a six
00:34:42
or a seven for both honestly. Yeah, you're right alone.
00:34:47
Me I got to go. I got to go 6 in.
00:34:52
I might go 74 plot because I like the some aspects of the
00:34:56
first half of it but yeah maybe six and a half like 6.5 because
00:34:59
it some of the stuff the very end with the plausible or you
00:35:03
know suspension of disbelief stuff just had me Going in or
00:35:07
maybe I don't think it there. I dig it more in buy-in and
00:35:10
sorting. If we come to the buy-in, I give
00:35:13
it to you for buying. Yeah, I'm with you there.
00:35:15
Any mobility of it is? You know, one the fact that the
00:35:19
president would have this year's Long Revenge, you story that
00:35:24
culminates with just so happens that the these exact people that
00:35:28
are on his list are going to be the ones to take out this.
00:35:31
Yeah that's another thing. That's a little too convenient
00:35:34
as the people on his list like their boss is cutting all the
00:35:39
Loose Ends twenty or Twenty Years Later resin.
00:35:42
That just to cookie-cutter it was taken that time.
00:35:44
Yeah, it's okay. So I think yeah I got to agree
00:35:47
by In is, is the week is the weak link here for me?
00:35:53
And I went five and five on action and plot a to on buying,
00:35:58
I think I'm going to bump the action after, what we talked
00:36:01
about the Ravine seen a couple of kills their the fight in the
00:36:04
house in the hazmat suits or with it with the PPE and even
00:36:08
going in and that final interrogation you know, behind
00:36:11
the barriers was pretty cool. Yeah.
00:36:13
So I'm going to 6 in action but to on by and with you all, how
00:36:17
about the bad guys? And the good guys, these are
00:36:18
five points of Pop. I'm at like a I'm not like a 34
00:36:26
bad guys and there really weren't too many awesome good
00:36:32
guys in here like that, at least play big roles in the other
00:36:36
books. You'd have to say, like.
00:36:38
Alright, what did you think of Haley?
00:36:40
What'd you think of her husband, wouldn't you think?
00:36:42
Yeah. Like, like a little characters
00:36:44
in terms of like the doctor was a cool.
00:36:46
Yeah. The doctor was cool.
00:36:47
He saves like this side characters for me.
00:36:51
Yeah. All right, so I'll go with like,
00:36:54
a three Four bad guys for four good guys.
00:36:59
Yeah, have degree 3 for the bad, guys.
00:37:02
The, you know, Ali and Sebastian were interesting Senator and
00:37:08
Sawyer or you know, been splitting, light light, some I
00:37:12
could say. And then, like the other kills
00:37:15
at the end, you know, just we didn't have enough time to spend
00:37:18
with them and also like the I didn't really care about the,
00:37:23
the people on, on the President's List that James was
00:37:26
killing at the beginning. You know, we Not really long
00:37:29
backstories on it. The first like three people in
00:37:32
that list. Yeah.
00:37:34
So, and then for good guys, you know, it's the three-and-a-half
00:37:39
that doctor sort of saves it. He's probably gonna be my free
00:37:42
space. Like that.
00:37:43
That's chapter really stood out. I was glad you brought that up.
00:37:46
Tyler. Yeah, I don't know why.
00:37:48
Every time I listen every time I listen, that that chapters like
00:37:52
my favorite one, I actually think he's into chapters.
00:37:54
I think like there's an introduction to him and he gets
00:37:56
called in and it end right with him.
00:37:59
If with them saying, that's the last time he he's going to look
00:38:02
at his wife and then You re visit him later once he gets
00:38:05
there. And he starts to realize that
00:38:07
containment is about to happen, because you can't make phone
00:38:10
calls. You just get the sense that
00:38:14
that's really what, how it would be like.
00:38:16
Yeah. Yeah, to hyper-realistic.
00:38:19
And when, as his military side comes out on the floor and he's
00:38:22
barking orders at everyone like that, dude, just took control at
00:38:26
a time when they needed somebody to take control.
00:38:28
Yep. And he did it pretty good
00:38:30
character. I like his backstory to from
00:38:32
what I recall. He has a Porsche 911.
00:38:34
Eleven which is he gets those rights for that and our, because
00:38:39
you're our weapons guy, our vehicle guy.
00:38:42
Yeah. And not only that, but he likes
00:38:44
the Porsche 911 because that's what Steve McQueen drives in Le
00:38:48
Mans. Which he says, in the book that
00:38:50
he saw that movie with his dad at the cinema, which is nice.
00:38:53
Cool, that's a good movie. That is going to be Although,
00:38:57
speaking of the tech specs, you didn't give us to many of the
00:39:00
tech specs. Tonight, I think again talking
00:39:02
about, you know, if Jack's trying something different, I
00:39:05
think again, that that's not here.
00:39:07
It's yeah, there's not that many technology like that attack, the
00:39:10
tactics are really cool, especially the stuff that Ox
00:39:14
taught Katie and James. And I really like the use of
00:39:18
those tactics in the Ravine fight and you know, move to cut
00:39:22
move, move cover move and things like that.
00:39:24
And you know, stack Up and stuff like that.
00:39:29
But yeah the thus far as like tech specs like there's not
00:39:32
really other than the badass 911 in the Land Cruiser that gets
00:39:36
trashed. Unfortunately, there aren't that
00:39:38
many vehicles or like planes. Any are anything this time which
00:39:42
is a little bit of a good break. Like, I always feel like it's
00:39:44
true. James needs a Globetrotter, he's
00:39:47
always got a pilot and a plane at free use any time, right?
00:39:53
So that's a little bit of a welcome change, but yeah,
00:39:56
there's There wasn't that many tech specs to give for for some
00:39:59
stuff. So though, coming off the bow
00:40:02
stuff and Savage sun, it's just a little bit.
00:40:04
Like yeah, I want that back, you know.
00:40:06
But yeah I want the Hastings back you know I think because of
00:40:09
all that I was a little lower on the bad guys out of 2 and the
00:40:12
good guys out of three love some of the things we're talking
00:40:15
about but they just weren't present enough, the good stuff
00:40:19
and it got bogged down by some of the stuff that didn't hit.
00:40:22
So I wasn't a big fan of the villains.
00:40:24
I'm going to change my tune here on setting though.
00:40:27
Don't know if this is one of Jack strength usually, but I
00:40:30
think he up the game here in a couple of ways, the Fort Detrick
00:40:35
stuff, which Chris hearing from you that it's really accurate.
00:40:37
How you move through the building, Don the suits and go
00:40:41
into the research lab, I really felt like in the lab at
00:40:45
Dietrich. I was there.
00:40:46
I was taken into it then the Ravine fight and hiding out in
00:40:50
that that safe house where he was bandaging up.
00:40:53
Katie I thought was really Cool. And then in like, the suburbs at
00:40:57
the house, I felt like a couple of the scenes while not these
00:41:01
worldwide were going around the globe to these amazing, like,
00:41:05
Italian Job, kind of picturesque places in fighting in them.
00:41:09
I thought to bring it home and go on the US and what if the
00:41:12
u.s. became a Battleground? I thought was really well done.
00:41:15
So I want four out of five on setting.
00:41:19
I would I would agree with you that I think he does a good job
00:41:22
even like you know, describing how we would take over a country
00:41:26
club but you know, golf course and set up these tents and like
00:41:29
these little Nuance things Of like what settings would look
00:41:34
like during a post post. Apocalyptic /.
00:41:37
You know epidemic. Pandemic type situation was in
00:41:43
even like when they're driving around.
00:41:45
He describes how it's quite, you know, like no one's out walking
00:41:49
and I don't know if you guys felt this during covid but it
00:41:53
was creepy like being up in Alaska.
00:41:55
No one on the streets. You know, like very many people
00:41:58
people then I just remembered back that time and like this
00:42:01
would be even More extensive because there would be even less
00:42:04
people out in the streets. Yeah, I'd have to agree with you
00:42:07
Mike. You know, I'll give it a 4.
00:42:08
Why the fuck man? Yeah, unless you guys are for
00:42:11
for setting. I forgot about the golf course
00:42:14
being taken over. That was really cool.
00:42:17
Yeah. All right.
00:42:18
Let's do we do free space and then covers.
00:42:20
Let's give our free spaces. Yeah.
00:42:22
So what's your five out of five here?
00:42:23
Tyler. Free space goes to the
00:42:27
surveillance team. Yes, the comic relief.
00:42:31
Yes. Yes, absolutely.
00:42:34
That was good. All right.
00:42:35
They're awesome. I love their dialogue throughout
00:42:38
is like we're getting to know these guys and they're kind of
00:42:42
likeable together and I just they were like just a pair.
00:42:46
I was hoping James didn't have to kill but didn't it didn't end
00:42:51
up that way? But I like they're all their
00:42:53
comments especially when he starts putting people down from
00:42:56
the Ravine fight Chris I'm gonna have to go to the president, you
00:43:01
know that we we don't get much of him anymore and he's going to
00:43:05
be taking out the other next novel.
00:43:07
This is my only chance to give them a free space.
00:43:09
So I don't know. Even though like I know I know
00:43:11
it was a negative for you. Mike.
00:43:13
The fact that he's like, potentially never say, Mike's
00:43:16
not voting for him. I want to give it to the
00:43:20
president. I'd vote for him as president,
00:43:23
for sure. You just don't think that he
00:43:25
would ever exist. I would take Alexander Danny
00:43:28
Daniels any day over this. Enter.
00:43:30
I take Alexander listen. Yeah.
00:43:34
I mention Ox love that he came back just a little bit at the
00:43:37
end, but I got to say that first scene, the interrogation scene,
00:43:42
not not the 911 stuff in the prologue, but the first chapter,
00:43:45
the interrogation scene, young Greece being back with Reese.
00:43:48
I thought it was so well written.
00:43:50
And again, I try to pull out pieces of these books that I
00:43:53
think are Standalone really good pieces of pros.
00:43:57
And I think that one is the best in this book in terms of not
00:44:00
written for a thriller novel, but just written fiction.
00:44:03
Yeah. And literature.
00:44:04
I think that one chapter stands out.
00:44:06
Yeah, I agree that first chapter is solid with him, trying to do
00:44:09
the intake process with for the CIA.
00:44:12
Yep. Really good.
00:44:14
I could also give my free space to write Porter.
00:44:17
I thought. Yeah.
00:44:18
This book. Yeah.
00:44:19
I kind of saved it, a little bit duty to he's The Perennial free
00:44:22
space. He's a 50 out of 50 on the
00:44:24
scorecard. And so wonder if you guys could
00:44:28
get him on for as a guest that he would have been cool.
00:44:32
That deer is one. Yeah.
00:44:34
I think he's. A little more of a celebrity if
00:44:38
you will. And George could tell, like,
00:44:39
George Goodell's like this. He's like the king of audiobooks
00:44:43
and narration, but he's like this old timey.
00:44:45
Old-school guy, he didn't even have a media person.
00:44:47
He's like, just email me. I feel like Ray Porter is a
00:44:50
little too big right now, in terms of Fame, he never know.
00:44:54
It's worth reaching out I think. Yeah I know his biggest thing
00:44:57
he's worked on was Zack Snyder's Justice League.
00:45:00
You he played dark side and that but right right.
00:45:03
Yeah. I think it would be at least
00:45:04
worth reaching out. I mean, I You guys would be
00:45:06
surprised at how many people I reach out to on social media.
00:45:10
That hit me back and we have like, long term conversations.
00:45:13
Yeah, pretty surprising. Here, I is an agent.
00:45:16
Yeah. We can probably get into this
00:45:17
again as a good suggestion he was an Argo interesting.
00:45:21
Was he really? And he has a, he's won awards
00:45:24
for a few years for audiobooks. He's of the new king of
00:45:29
audiobooks. Does he read any other series?
00:45:31
You guys, you guys are into that.
00:45:33
I haven't been been into yet the only And I've recommended it to
00:45:37
you before that I've heard him do is the sons of Valor Series.
00:45:40
Yeah. Yeah Andrews and Wilson need to
00:45:42
pick that up still. Dude it's only two books so it's
00:45:46
easy to get into right now but it's killer and he's really good
00:45:50
there too. So Night of the Living Dead in
00:45:53
biology project hey I'm just looking up like his project Hail
00:45:58
Mary. Oh he did project, Hail Mary,
00:46:01
huh? Oh, that's Andy Weir.
00:46:03
That's Andy Weir. Yeah.
00:46:04
From what's the other one? The Martian, the Martian and I
00:46:07
got to reap. I didn't know.
00:46:08
Reporter did that one? That's big.
00:46:11
Yeah, we'll try to get them to. It's good suggestion.
00:46:14
Yeah, no problem. Be a good catch.
00:46:17
Our cover time is my last last going - I'm just going to say
00:46:20
it. I'll let you guys talk one out
00:46:21
of five. Go ahead guess.
00:46:26
Oh man. Is this book on your shelf for?
00:46:29
Did you burn it after you write it?
00:46:32
Yeah, and I'm sorry. Jack, you sent me an arc.
00:46:34
I really enjoyed the ark when it was coming out, you know, we
00:46:39
were pushing for, I didn't say much too much after I had read
00:46:42
it. Just, you know, we had some
00:46:43
really good conversations with you.
00:46:45
Glad you came on you're probably never going to listen to this
00:46:47
anyway, but we really appreciate everything you do is just, you
00:46:50
know, I love the rest of the series and can't wait for more
00:46:52
and. All right, so wait, Mike, oh,
00:46:55
what was your problem with the main OG care Cogeco cover
00:46:58
because this it was not that I like I like that was gonna be my
00:47:01
pick because the Koji hard but hardback cover.
00:47:06
I don't think there's um there's almost nothing on it.
00:47:09
I don't see any substance but a couple of branches of trees.
00:47:13
You know. I don't like the face and so
00:47:15
besides the face there's nothing else happening on it except for
00:47:19
a couple of trees. I just really liked the theme
00:47:22
and set. If you look at all of the cover,
00:47:24
all of the original hardback covers together, they just like
00:47:28
Go well together I think and how yeah, it takes a serial killer
00:47:31
like what is it? Is it 60?
00:47:33
30, 10 4 colors? You guys know about the rule?
00:47:36
No, Mike's do one color. 660 is like the primary color. 30 is
00:47:41
like the secondary, and then 10% is like an accent.
00:47:46
And if you look in films TV shows cartoons, everything in
00:47:52
one frame from like a person, shirt will match something in
00:47:57
the background. And then that would make up like
00:47:58
the 60%. And then like, they might have
00:48:00
like a red, a red tie, that could be the 10 and then like
00:48:03
the 30 is like the, the light color.
00:48:07
So like if you look at look at stuff, so if you look at those
00:48:10
covers, they're almost like I don't know they're almost like
00:48:14
60/40 serve some of them but I just like how they're abstracted
00:48:19
Savage son's, my favorite I think just because probably just
00:48:22
because I like that book so much.
00:48:24
But I like how the guys standing I know you don't like faces on
00:48:27
covers, but if you look at them like they're really aren't full
00:48:30
faces for like from like, you know, whatever model they picked
00:48:34
to have 60% of a face. Yeah.
00:48:38
So but yeah, if you guys pay attention next time, I'm
00:48:42
especially in The Last of Us for Chris.
00:48:46
Look at the colors of certain shots and stuff like that. 6030
00:48:50
10 for Align stuff. It's in it's in basically every
00:48:54
every form of TV and film, you know I'm going up a point
00:48:59
because of that, I mean the layout and the proportions of
00:49:03
the red white and blue but would knowing that with you, you
00:49:07
educating me. Yeah, the cover looks cooler.
00:49:09
I don't think the substance is there, but the general look of
00:49:12
it is cool. ER, I'm going up to.
00:49:14
So what what are the trees have? Is?
00:49:18
The trees are in all of them? Yeah.
00:49:20
In three of the four covers there are trees, is that?
00:49:24
Because he goes to Colorado, because I'm supposed to be
00:49:26
Colorado. Yeah, I'm thinking so.
00:49:29
In the red Hyun in the trees. Like, the covers that I've been
00:49:33
liking, I mean, I like the G covers but I do like the panel,
00:49:36
the ones. I think they're pretty decent.
00:49:38
The paperback reissues is the red liked into the trace.
00:49:43
Was we like the virus that's coming over top.
00:49:45
Yeah, the problem is is that we had with lethal agent and if you
00:49:52
Google that cover, it's pretty cool because like they have,
00:49:56
like, the map And then I don't know if you've ever played that
00:50:00
game, pandemic ink unless I have you know and slowly goes like
00:50:04
the the red dots like seep. And so they kind of mimic that
00:50:10
on this cover and it sort of bleeds into various things and
00:50:14
then oh, there was another one where it had cherry blossom.
00:50:17
So lethal agent covers, cool, man.
00:50:19
Yeah, I did cherry blossoms like turned into the the infection
00:50:23
dots on the map, like, that was pretty cool.
00:50:26
Yeah. I just I wanted something.
00:50:28
You know, this whole thing is about a virus.
00:50:30
I wanted something that had to do with that.
00:50:33
Yeah, that was my main point. I'm not going.
00:50:35
I'm not going to go as low as one because I think all his you
00:50:39
are hate this book, with everything you have inside, you.
00:50:42
I do think if you if you look at the thing that my descent you C
00:50:46
and D to me scream erotic, Thriller for some reason.
00:50:51
Yeah, yeah. And I well, I like the theme of
00:50:55
all the hardbacks like I do like that.
00:50:57
That us that the paperbacks are all, like the panel, the panel
00:51:00
where we talked about before I do like that.
00:51:03
Yeah, I liked it. Like they stick with a with a
00:51:04
look. I like that b-series.
00:51:07
You could replace the devil's. Like, if you look at cover D,
00:51:11
the Genesis Jack car, the devil's hands.
00:51:14
You could replace the devil's hands with like some Nicholas
00:51:17
Sparks title and I would believe that that could be the same
00:51:20
cover. I agree.
00:51:22
Yeah, some of the European releases I think D is the
00:51:24
British one maybe if some of the European release Pieces are a
00:51:27
little odd for their cover choices.
00:51:30
We know, we've been down that even even down to the font that
00:51:36
they choose, it's just bad father.
00:51:39
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I love this.
00:51:42
A the font on the original the hardback cover series is a
00:51:45
pretty cool thought. Yeah, the blocking of it.
00:51:50
You know, the block Butters. Yeah.
00:51:51
The the set the set that I have right now are all hardbacks and
00:51:55
I have all of mine signed. I had I took my whole set with
00:51:58
me last year when I got the meat Jack.
00:52:01
So he signed all my books for me and then I have the shot through
00:52:06
in the blood. So he took the first page of in
00:52:10
the blood like quite a few copies of them and shot through
00:52:13
at a shooting range and then you know they all got put in the
00:52:16
books. I know my own and my in the
00:52:19
blood first page has a bullet hole in it that he shot school.
00:52:23
So I took that too and he signed them for me as well.
00:52:26
And actually I have like two or three magazines, he's on the
00:52:29
cover of that nobody has apparently because he says he
00:52:32
never liked signed one at an event so I he signed those for
00:52:37
me too. So it's you have one of the only
00:52:39
signed magazine I guess he. I think he was surprised that I
00:52:42
brought them. One of them is wheels of field,
00:52:45
which featured him in his Land, Cruiser on the front.
00:52:47
And then the other one was a ballistic magazine which he's on
00:52:51
the cover of and then since the show came out, he's him and
00:52:54
Chris Pratt her on the cover of another ballistic that.
00:52:56
I have. So I'll take that and I'll take
00:52:58
that this year. Nice.
00:53:00
So are you going to meet him? So, that's doesn't think I was
00:53:03
gonna tell you, Chris, is the closest place.
00:53:05
He came to us last year was Cleveland, which is a fucking
00:53:10
trip for you. So, yeah.
00:53:12
If you want to go, it's gonna be a hall of might as well just fly
00:53:16
for you. So, have you seen a tour
00:53:18
schedule of naughty not yet? I feel like he does go close to
00:53:22
Philly do so you just when it comes out with the lows you go
00:53:24
to d.c. at all. I don't know.
00:53:26
I think Utah. Montana Texas.
00:53:29
Maybe I can't remember all the stops.
00:53:31
They're only like eight stops from last year.
00:53:33
And the one in Cleveland, I went to was his first year there and
00:53:36
he seemed to really like it in the person in charge was very,
00:53:39
very good and they had a lot of space for everybody.
00:53:42
And I have some photos from that, like, Mike knows, that's
00:53:45
my profile profile pictures me and Jack, you know?
00:53:47
So yeah, if you get the opportunity to see him at a book
00:53:52
stop, it's definitely worth going.
00:53:54
Yeah, nice. All right, so give me the cover
00:53:57
ratings and we'll get a final score for you guys.
00:54:01
I'm thinking my cover rating is going to be I guess a for for a
00:54:10
me I don't dislike it. What do you guys think?
00:54:14
I'm going to brought you down a little now.
00:54:20
Oh because I was thinking you were one likes and then I'll go
00:54:22
3 has convinced me you got me up to to their you really did Ty.
00:54:27
6030 Theory, 03. All right, let me, let me talk.
00:54:30
All these up 35 at a 54, you Tyler.
00:54:34
So I didn't bring you down all that much.
00:54:36
That's a respectable score right there on the scorecard.
00:54:40
Chris you ring in at a 33 and a half, also respectable.
00:54:44
And I am just a, not respectable piece of trash with a 29 at a
00:54:50
50. It's not bad to be optionally
00:54:53
ashamed of yourself. We're trying to be honest here.
00:54:55
And you know, I thought you were going to go.
00:54:58
I thought you're going to go whale over Mike.
00:54:59
So you know, it had the potential to be lower.
00:55:03
You guys reminded me of some of the highlights.
00:55:05
I think I went up on action one or two points, based on what you
00:55:08
said, I didn't trash it on by and I went We all went to is
00:55:11
across the board. You didn't go down to the one
00:55:13
because the scenes I liked, I did like and then the covers you
00:55:17
got me up on. So and the settings are really
00:55:18
like, so yeah, it's the lowest of the Jack car books.
00:55:23
I think for both of us, Chris you and I for sure some parts
00:55:27
are done real well and others. Get a little jumbled and lost
00:55:30
and wasn't quite sure the direction we were going.
00:55:35
All right, so I guess you know we kind of already said it.
00:55:39
But yeah, I'm going to have to put this now, I can complete my
00:55:42
list and it goes Savage Sun, True, Believer, terminal assist
00:55:46
in the blood. That was Sandra me.
00:55:48
Yeah, I'm buying my lineup is the same order.
00:55:53
I guess I'm going a little different.
00:55:56
I'm a sucker for the oh gee. I'm going with terminal list.
00:55:58
True Believer. Savage son in the blood Devil's
00:56:01
Hand. I've always said, Savage son's
00:56:04
my favorite, but the terminal list had the biggest impact on
00:56:06
me and like he can't beat that first read of terminal list.
00:56:10
Absolutely. I remember that quite well.
00:56:14
I was on a plane when I listen to to it for the first time on
00:56:18
my way back from Texas and I was just like, completely pulled
00:56:20
into it. Nice.
00:56:23
Well, I was going to have to have you back.
00:56:26
What month is only the Dead coming out?
00:56:28
Is that may say may be Ma We need to have you back then?
00:56:33
Yeah for sure. Let us know if you read any good
00:56:35
thrillers between now and then. Yeah, I will.
00:56:38
I'm uh, I'm actually looking at a couple different books right
00:56:41
now, I'm finishing up The Accidental gorilla and then
00:56:43
after this, I want to, I want I want to reread the accidental
00:56:47
superpower, which is a pretty good pretty good book.
00:56:51
Cool accidental superpowers about Russia and but both of
00:56:56
them are pretty good so far. Thanks for having me on, I
00:56:59
appreciate it. As always.
00:57:01
Yeah, thanks for coming on man. Always a pleasure to see you
00:57:04
Tyler and you can't wait for all of the Dead.
00:57:10
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