Are monthly thriller short stories actually a good idea?
In this episode of No Limits: The Thriller Podcast, we review Stars & Sledgehammer by Brian Andrews and Jeffrey Wilson—and break down their new approach to publishing short stories through their Blackstone imprint.
We dive into what works, what doesn’t, and whether this faster, serialized release model can compete with traditional full-length thrillers. Is this the future of the genre… or just a side experiment?
If you’re a fan of modern spy thrillers, publishing trends, and Andrews & Wilson’s previous work, this one’s for you.
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Hey, guys, I'm Chris. And I'm Mike.
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And welcome back to this week's and No Limits the Thriller
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Podcast. How's it going today, Mike?
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Good, I'm back to potting outside now that the spring
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weather is here. So.
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Yeah, see you at least for one week.
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Next week we're supposed to get snow up here, so.
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And yeah, it's back to the mid 30s down here.
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So I've been at work in school these last few days.
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It's 75, beautiful, bright and sunny out.
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I'm in the building Friday. I get a day off, I book golf.
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It's going to be 35. I'm like, come on, man.
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Don't do me like that weather. I can't catch a break.
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I hate these little teases. I mean, they're very nice in the
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moment, but it's like, you know, winter comes back.
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Like I feel like this happens a lot.
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Like if you get it like one or two days, that's like really
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nice and then boom, you're back in the winter.
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Speaking of little teases, today we have two Andrews and Wilson
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short stories to get into. We kick things off with 1st
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Ranger when that first came out. They're already two more deep
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for 2026 and the next one is on the way.
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So let's keep this thing going and see what we think about this
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new adventure by Andrews and Wilson in their own little
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imprint with Blackstone and this approach to bang out these short
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stories. Do you think they're honest?
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Something with this? I'm, I'm going to have to say I
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I really enjoyed both of them and I, you said you're going to
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come up with a hot take with sledgehammer, but I really liked
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it. Obviously there's some plot
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holes, you know, and, and not plot holes, but like, yeah, it
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wasn't like everything wasn't fully fleshed out, but obviously
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it's not meant to be. It's a it's a short story, but
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man, what I love to learn more about Mac Holland.
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Sure, and I agree with you. I've said it before with 1st
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Ranger, The best part of these is that they're short and
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digestible and you just get so invested so quickly.
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But the worst part of these that they're so short because often
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you're left wanting and you want even more.
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While Sledgehammer is a story I really enjoyed, I think my hot
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take is I think the book would get even worse if you tried to
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expand it in that like you said, there are these plot holes and I
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don't know how far you could stretch it because I found
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myself multiple times just saying I'm going to enjoy this.
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I'm not going to question it. I'm not going to pick anything
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apart. I'm going to live in the moment
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and if I had to continue to suspend disbelief that a group
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of 70 year old washed up something are going on, it's.
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Just him. It's just him.
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That's 70, right? It's true, but they're all.
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Everyone else is 20 years because the the one already is
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like 45 the the the lady. Who's the woman?
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Yeah. And then the other it's the rest
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are 55. So you have He's 70.
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I don't know, man, I don't. Know how my like take on it was
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that it's you know, I guess originally right we we found out
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that the point of these were to be like screen right like, you
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know, plot like submissions for rights on ATV show rights on a
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movie whatever. And to me, this reads like Taken
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meets. What is it, Reds that did you
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ever see that those movies? No.
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Oh, like red gone red. No, it was, it had a name like
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it was. Sorry, it was an acronym, but it
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was like Bruce Willis. He was old, older.
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Morgan Freeman, Helen Mirren and they're all these like John
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Malkovich, obviously they're all much older and or the like
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Expendables, you know, like very much so like, yeah, having that,
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that come in. I was going to say, it felt like
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that. So a part of it is like, you
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just enjoy that, right? These old timers, these legends,
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these icons getting back in the game.
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I think there's some like storytelling trope there that
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could work. I just think in this case, to
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have a 70 year old going that buck wild guess he's motivated,
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it's his daughter, but it was just again, one of those things.
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And and even if you take it as his age, it's it's not you can't
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buy into it. But it's also the fact that
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everyone around him was just a yes man.
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And I know we had that aura and he had that gravitas to get
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people behind him and to have this team and call up old
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friends. But the same time we're just
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like somebody at some point got to be like, dude, this is
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probably not the right way to go about this.
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Like let's get a real team in here.
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I just think for them to just whole hog go in and no one to
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question like, wait, is this the best move for this select group
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of people and him to be the main operator going into the fray?
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I just don't know. I think I think there were a lot
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of moments where I just wanted to hit pause on certain things
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and question it. But because it was a short
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story, I didn't. I was like, let's just keep this
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train moving. I guess it's interesting that
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they picked 70. I might have bought it at like
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6258 like I I really. So I'm looking up like how old
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like the character was in the first Taken movie and Liam
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Neeson's character was was 55 in the 1st, 160 in the second one,
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and then 62 in the third. Believable.
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Yeah, yeah. So. 70 was stuff.
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Like they could have had them be like 60 and then have everyone
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else be like 50, you know? I think, though, that's not the
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only issue I had, because the other thing is the whole she's
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alive, right is his friend comes, just drops the knowledge
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she's alive. We got Intel super secret this
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and that. You know, her cover was blown as
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a knock. Again, just a little too easy.
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I think if you had a whole book and you had to tease that out
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and build up to it, maybe it would have landed better.
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But to me, I just had to tell myself, OK, that's a device to
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bring us some action. We have very limited page time.
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Boom, you got to jump right into it.
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But but that ends up making it seem half baked or just forced
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and you have to do it. It didn't feel natural like 1st
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Ranger. I felt like it was clipped in
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it's pacing. But it felt natural because we
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were moving through real battles and events like oh, I know this
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thing has to come. OK.
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And then we see them at the it's like little snippets along the
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way. This one was trying to tell
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what's a really complex web of spy, espionage, clues, Intel,
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putting the Intel pieces together and it just like
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dropped the folder on your desk instead of seeing the Intel
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being collected and the data being analyzed.
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So the fault of the medium, I guess a limitation?
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And I think, but at the same time, like I, I enjoyed reading
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it. Like I thought it was, I thought
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it was entertaining. I thought I was a page Turner,
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you know, like I think I wanted to know more about the ultimate
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villain of it, like why she turned on on his daughter, why,
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you know, what happened to her? Like what, you know, what is
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that whole back story? They didn't touch that at all,
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No. She shows her scars, you know,
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when she's like, undressing. So it's like she's trying to
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tell her, like I'm getting back at what your country has done to
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me. Nobody was just your.
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Dad yeah, exactly. I so I did like those personal
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stakes. Do those personal stakes land
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when you've only had one scene with that character?
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Sure. You know, I it it doesn't land
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as hard. So I think I think this one, I
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see the limitations of this medium of short storytelling
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more so than I do in any of the others.
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And that and because of that I I don't know if it works.
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Interesting. So it's funny that we decided to
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do, we just happened to decide to do talk about both
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Sledgehammer and Scar on the same pod because they're they're
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very similar. Obviously they're very
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different, but similar in the sense that it's all focused
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around this one mission trying to go into a remote area,
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terrorist or, you know, infill. Yeah.
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Have to get somebody out whether it's an HVT or your or your
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daughter. And so I guess just pivoting
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over to SCAR, like how well did you think that executed that?
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Yeah, I, I think just like Sledgehammer had the exciting
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action scene, really everything centered around that.
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The beginning and the end had these nice bookmark
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conversations in sledgehammers with the little girl, which we
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should address. Perfect way to bookend that
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story. And this one, it's with Kelso
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Jarvis. You know, when he walks into the
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room in the briefing to when we see him at the end with the
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surprise Zakari, He's very similar in that format, that
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style. At the same time, it's so
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different in that this one has a whole universe behind it.
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It's got a character, Dempsey, or in this case Kemper, with
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thousands of pages behind him, 100, you know, thousands of
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fans. There's so much weight to that
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story. You know, it's part of an
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expanded universe. And I think that makes it work a
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little more in that everything he's doing is not someone off.
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You have to just believe it just because I told you.
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It's like, no, we're actually seeing the origin of who this
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character was. We're seeing why he's so
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dedicated to the mission. We're learning about his
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character. And I'm not feeling it's forced
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to make the character, you know, build the plane as we're we're
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flying it. It's like, Nope, the plane is
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out there. All the pieces have been put
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together already. We're just seeing a small slice.
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And that's much more successful at wanting me to now go read
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more of the tier one story, specifically one we see Jarvis
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recruiting him in a sense. So I'd like to see him finally
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jumping in and, and getting on that team, I guess Ember.
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And then finally, I want to see the name change.
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I, I don't really know the series enough to understand why
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his name changed. And I thought that was a really,
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really teasing thing that I, I'm sure are fans of the series.
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The Tier 1 readers absolutely love this.
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This was like fanservice to them I'd imagine.
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Yeah, why haven't we done a tier one novel?
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I I think Sons of Valor just felt more digestible as one book
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at the time and then two and now 3 I feel like.
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It's hard to get into, like it's obviously we've tackled big time
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series that have had 20 plus books.
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Yeah. And obviously we want to tap
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back into the grey man. But you know, I guess when when
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a series has, you know, I think they have 9 books, yeah, it can
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be daunting. So.
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Everything though, when when Dempsey appears and Sons of
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Valor when team members called in, all these things really make
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me interested in it and it seems Andrew's through and through.
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I guess we have that context too of it.
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All right, so jumping back to Sledgehammer, would you want to
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read back story of Matt Collins? Yeah, I, I think so.
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I think I would. And I think that would make more
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sense, right, To hear about him younger and these legends that
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he created. It's almost like instead of
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being an origin story, this is the after story which is, which
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has never been done before as far as I know.
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Right, so like this, this kicks it off, but in actuality, you
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never he he never does another OP again.
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You know, he's truly retired to get his daughter out.
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This is not kicking off some sort of old person clandestine
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service, but instead you now go back and you get to see all of
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them in their heyday. Yeah, that's kind of cool then,
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because usually you make a short story with the origin and you
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want to right figure out how they got there.
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Well, the first thing you write about a character is after
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retirement, after all that story's already been done and
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not written. That's a unique way to do it.
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So yeah, I'd be interested in more.
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Because I don't, I just don't. I don't think I could believe
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enough, suspend my disbelief enough to think like to have a
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running series where he's 70 years old and just doing.
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Pulled out of retirement. OP after OP agreed, you know,
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maybe he was running things like back in the, you know, in the
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office or in the in the talk, sure, but not being the
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sledgehammer kicking down doors. Yeah, the the way he gets so
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involved, that's that's a dope title when you you know that
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that's his nickname for kicking down doors.
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Same thing with scars. And actually scars actually
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really hit as a title. And again, fans of tier one
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probably know the significance of the left arm injury.
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That was a brutal description of that scene.
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Dude, it was, but now for a long time, fans who get to see it
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happen, that must just hit so much more.
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Yeah, he's taking out what, 6 dudes the HVT gets away after
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slashing him with like a curved, you know, Arabic typical blade
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wild. And it led to this quote at the
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end. So that that's another thing
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about this format is it allows Andrews and Wilson.
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I think what what carries all these books is their writing.
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There's so many authors where this wouldn't work exactly.
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It's so good that whatever the story is, you know the quality
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of the writings, crisp and clean and just quotes like this.
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And it's funny because the two quotes I pulled, one from
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Sledgehammer is in the very beginning, maybe like the third
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sentence of the book. And this one from Scars is the
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last few sentences of the book. So I feel like they have the
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magic formula of knowing exactly when they have to write that
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knockout sentence or that knockout passage.
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And it it's very early or very late in a short story.
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And this is the one from Scars at the very end, a visible
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reminder of a painful event that could not be undone, a mistake
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he could not forget. His scar was born from hubris
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and passion, courage and naivete.
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And yet, as much as he wanted to hate it, to hide the omnipresent
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reminder of his failure and shame, it also represented
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something else, something transformational.
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In earning this scar, he earned Captain Jarvis's attention and
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respect. In earning this scar, he had
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gained a mentor and had been invited to participate in a
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world previously hidden from him, the world of the Tier One
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operations. And then the world even beyond
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that. Of ever, Yeah.
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Yeah, so. A world of a new persona
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becoming Dempsey. I think, you know, this is like
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what I would what I want out of best case scenario for finding
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out like how Mitch got his scar, you know, or some crazy story
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that, you know, we've heard from that Brad has mentioned about
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Scott, but it's never been explored.
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You know, like this is like the best case scenario for what an
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author wants to do. And I understand like it doesn't
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doesn't make a lot of money. It probably takes a decent
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amount of time. You know, might as well, you
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know, just write. A whole book, but.
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I don't know, it's fun little fan service, you know, but and
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then if you're able to then tackle these into anthology,
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boom, then you sell the book. Even better.
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Or you, you turn a few into movies, you know?
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Yeah, Yeah. There's your bread and butter.
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It was interesting when both Ward Larson and Brad Thor on our
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interview declaratively stated, yeah, it would be fun to write
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short stories. I don't have time for that.
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You know, if I'm doing the research, I'm pouring myself
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into it. I just need to write the full
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book. And I was a little disappointed.
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And, you know, because their craft is so good, I want
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digestible bits of it more often.
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But that's a lot to demand of them.
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They they both clearly said in their schedule, that's just like
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a not a possibility. But now you have Andrews and
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Wilson working on this completely other business model.
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They really seem to be the ringer for Blackstone.
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So they must have a lot of sway to do what they want to do and
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express themselves how they want to express themselves.
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And they did choose that route of let's invest time and energy
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in a series of stories. Sell them each for 650 on
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Amazon. It's not a bad play.
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Well, that in turns like it's also they have 10 pitches that
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they can pitch to, you know, and.
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It's your pitch exactly. It's maybe easier to pitch that
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than to pitch a whole book. You know, I, I don't know
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because are the people actually going to read a whole book like
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I? Don't know.
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Yeah, I don't know. All I know is that I'm I think
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out of the three I think I still like 1st Ranger the best.
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I agree. Mainly just because like that's
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like, I want that now, like I. That's the one I would want to
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be a whole book and a whole universe more.
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And a whole universe. I think the scars was very good
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and it does make me want to read more tier one.
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Like once me. I I think I started tier one
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like during COVID, before we started this podcast randomly
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because Amazon like pushed it to me Sam and never, you know,
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never we never circled back to it.
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But I'm intrigued. You know, I think out of the
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three sledgehammers is is at the bottom, but still not not like
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it's it's bad, but you know, enjoyable.
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Everything was enjoyable. Yeah, I agree.
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Yeah. And, and they're coming out with
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these once a month. I think pretty much that's their
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plan, yeah. OK. 5 bucks is good price.
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I, I know I've been getting them for 6:50.
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So I feel like 499 probably is like that price point where I'm
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absolutely buying them every month.
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A little bit more than that I'm like, maybe I'll skip a few here
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and there. So yeah, it's a good experiment.
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Oh, the sledgehammer quote right in the beginning quote.
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Only the shit you care about walks out of your life.
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The stuff you don't sticks around like lint on black pants
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like. That was great.
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That was great. Right off the gate when he's in
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his garage looking for something, he's like, shit that
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you care about walks out of your life.
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I'm just like, oh damn, you know, this is pretty deep.
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So yeah, 2 great passages, 2 great short stories.
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The other thing though, I feel like a short story.
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These are a little different than your typical short stories
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that withstood the test of time and and become classics like we
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read The most Dangerous Game. I feel like they have to be
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complete soup to nuts. I don't think they become
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classics if they have too many danglers, if they're just a
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tease to try to sell more books or get you into another universe
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or have you follow them and and watch for the next release.
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I I don't know if these work as complete short stories.
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They they have beginning, middle and end, but the beginning,
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middle and end seem like a small chunk of a greater beginning and
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a greater middle and a greater end where I feel like a true
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classic if it and it's not their game plan, but if their true
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idea was to create like a masterpiece of the short story
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genre. I don't know if these work.
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I feel like they're a little too in media res where like the most
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dangerous game, it just it just work.
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It's a complete story. You know, the lottery and so
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many of these other ones would you agree with?
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That sure, I mean, if you think about like the what in essence,
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like truly great, great you're you're naming some like the
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greatest short stories of all time.
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Sure. Yeah, I know it's unfair.
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Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking more so in in
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the sense of, all right, what are some cool eyepiece even
00:19:27
though these like, even though they there are their own IP in
00:19:30
the sense that they're starting new universes, that still is IP
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for them. It is in a sense.
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And have you read any of the Knights of the Seven Kingdoms
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novels that George did for? Yeah, like so these are of akin
00:19:45
to that, right? You know, essentially he wanted
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to explore something in the history of this long saga that's
00:19:52
X amount of years before the the main series.
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And you go for it and you can tie like different.
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I think the Dempsey's very much like that, right?
00:20:02
Or Scars. But yeah, I, I I don't think
00:20:07
they're trying to be the lottery or they're trying to be the most
00:20:11
dangerous game. What's the other one?
00:20:13
The the elephants one that Hemingway wrote.
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It's about like we always we study that in like high school.
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I don't know that one. Yeah, I just, I just think with
00:20:24
these two, more than first Ranger, I'm seeing cracks in the
00:20:27
limitations. Hills like, oh, you don't know
00:20:32
it. Was probably back in middle
00:20:35
school or whatever it was. Yeah, yeah.
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I just think we're seeing limitations of the genre that
00:20:40
I'm wondering if I'm going to keep going, but I wonder if I
00:20:44
make it to the very end. We shall see.
00:20:47
You know, maybe that's why people only do this when they're
00:20:52
asked to do, you know, some sort of they're they're coming out
00:20:57
with a spy anthology or a compendium and you're able to
00:21:02
give, you're able to get like, you know, Mark Greeny, Don
00:21:07
Bentley, right, Brad Thor. You know, if you were able to
00:21:10
get Kyle or Vince Flynn, you know, all these people like and
00:21:13
you got them all in one book like that would sell.
00:21:16
You know, no, that would sell and that would be super cool.
00:21:20
People talk about it all the time.
00:21:21
It seems like the authors don't want to go that route, but it
00:21:25
would be cool. You know what else would be
00:21:27
cool? I think Brad only did it because
00:21:29
it was for chair. It was.
00:21:30
It was for a 'cause. He said he's done a charity one
00:21:32
and then he also said he did like big box retailers who
00:21:35
wanted extra IP and and the Canon that belonged to them.
00:21:38
Yeah, that. That's why the we had those like
00:21:40
an epilogue and a random prologue.
00:21:43
Which he regrets, you know, the fact that it was done in that
00:21:45
manner. But yeah, I think he mentions
00:21:47
another charity, one that might be in the works so.
00:21:50
Yeah, cool. Target Target does a lot of that
00:21:53
like with books and with with albums they have like target
00:21:58
owned like Target only versions where I know like songs will you
00:22:02
can only get it if you buy the from Target.
00:22:06
And the same thing with books. You know, you get like an extra
00:22:09
ending if you buy the book from Target.
00:22:11
Cool, cool. Good stuff Andrews and Wilson,
00:22:13
thanks for doing what you do. I like how Andrews and Wilson
00:22:16
are also really fan driven and really about the fan connection.
00:22:20
I feel like those guys are just ever present with the fans and
00:22:23
having their pulse on the the thriller verse and knowing where
00:22:26
people are AT and giving the people what they want so.
00:22:28
An origin story to Victor. That would be cool.
00:22:32
Sure. Yeah.
00:22:32
I mean, that first book really left me wanting.
00:22:34
So I wonder if any in the Victor series go back in time that that
00:22:38
would be good to ask Adam about. Oh no, I was talking about for
00:22:42
Andrews and Wilson, the man antagonist of the Shepherd
00:22:48
series. Oh, the Victor, the Victor
00:22:51
Capital V Victor. Capital V Victor, Yeah.
00:22:53
Capital D Devil. I mean, I know we got like a
00:22:56
little bit of like, you know, when he was like a kid and like
00:22:58
with the witches and stuff. We'll just read What's the book
00:23:02
about the fall rising, Milton Milton's Paradise Paradise.
00:23:12
Lost. Paradise Lost.
00:23:13
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like a Paradise Lost of a
00:23:16
victor anyway. What are we covering next time
00:23:21
bro? We are going to have to talk
00:23:23
about that right now. So let's get the reading list
00:23:25
out for our midpoint and second-half of 2026.
00:23:29
All right, sounds good. You'll have to wait till next
00:23:32
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