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So hopefully 2023 brings you all the joy that you can possibly
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want. You know what, to not bring joy
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to Sanger Rainsford. Crashing upon ship trap Island
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and having to face generals are off.
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I don't know how much joy you could say.
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There is in this short story were covering here today.
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Yeah no not a lot of Joy but some I do mean you wanted to
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talk about this because there's some really interesting you
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know, dialogue really interesting questions that
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arise. Then obviously you know it was
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the inspiration for the last Jack Carnival we did was Savage
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sun which Mike has some nice, you know, Savage Hunt Savage,
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Sun connection plots that we'll get into later.
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But I really enjoyed this you know the boat with Whitney like
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that is conversation you know before he stupidly Lee drops his
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pipe and falls off. Like he gets hit by a rope or
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something. Just like a swinging rope.
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Yeah. That seemed like fate a little
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confused. Yeah I guess you can see his
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feet. Then obviously the Hunt is
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really good. You know the very end and how he
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gets them? Did you think he?
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I don't know how you can answer this question because you both
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me and you read this for the first time back in high school.
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But can you remember, did you think he had died?
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Did you think he was gonna come back while I'm reading it?
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It. Yeah, I think the first time I
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read it, I knew something. I didn't know if he'd win.
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I had thought he would kill zverev, but I thought it might
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be like, they're gonna die together.
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I don't remember because yeah, Middle School.
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We talked about last episode or a couple episodes ago reading
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this for the first time. I don't remember though, in the
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back of my mind I was wondering if he was going to kill.
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Zara of as I was reading. I knew the ending and I know how
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it plays out. But just because of a line,
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where's our of says, like, death would be too easy or, or you
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almost got the sense, the way he talks up the hunt, it would be
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an honor for him to die in the hunt, like his life was all
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about the hunt. It's been too easy for him,
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winning the hunt. And so like you would actually
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be thrilling to him to be on the other side of the hunt.
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And well, that's, that's part of the reason why he lets Rainsford
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go the first time he catches him, right?
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Because exactly, He doesn't want this to be that easy.
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So he stretches it out too long though at a in his pride.
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And so I'm wondering if Rainsford would pick up on that
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and wonder. By killing him.
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It's almost the easy way out for Zara of we're continually
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reminding him for the rest of his life that he lost the game.
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And there is someone better than him and he was bested that would
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be torment enough. Like Zara would live more inhale
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alive knowing someone bested him, then he would live dying,
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it were then he would be dying, you know, it was almost more
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fitting if he had to live knowing that he was bested.
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Yeah, or like you know, always this threat over your shoulder
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that you could die from will know and like that.
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So he'd live for that, he would like that part of it.
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You can be lengthened thrill. I think him dying gives him more
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pleasure though. Yeah, maybe even when he's
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bored, he's bored. He's bored, right?
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That's the whole point of this game, I guess.
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All right, let's we're jumping to the Ecuadorian.
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Let's go back to the beginning and I had this, I kind of asked
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you to before and I want to get your thoughts on it.
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But this this thing that Whitney brings up in the idea was it
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Whitney arrange word, the idea of do pray because we know the
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humans obviously have fear and maybe that's what makes us.
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A little bit, you know, a little more intelligent and it's a
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poison of our intelligence. This idea that we can know
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things and therefore we feel fear.
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You know, we lost the we know loss.
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Do pray not, not the human prey but like an animal prey or
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whatever. Do they feel here?
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I thought this was an interesting question.
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I think I remember like my professor posing this and we had
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to like write a little prompt or something about it.
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I think my answer is I think Think yes to an extent, but not
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not in the same way that we do. Because I don't think like deer
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are constantly were like worried about about dying, you know,
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they just, they are there to live, you know, but I think it
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takes like a higher intelligence to have to partition your brain,
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to be able to think about You know, the other side, you know,
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like yeah we almost think about a lot of more people think about
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trying not to die. That actually like living.
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Whereas I feel like most prey think about how am I going to
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live, how I'm going to survive, then worrying about dying?
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You know what I mean? Yeah, 100%.
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Yeah, it's that contemplation of death, that in the hunt on an
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animal animalistic level. The Hunt is, is only a survival
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Instinct which for every animal in nature is their daily life.
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Is there only lived experience, but you're right.
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Humans can contemplate death beyond that.
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Just survival Instinct level of every single day, is just about.
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How do I survive? And what do I need to survive?
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We can have things like Leisure, and contemplation, and
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reflection and relaxation. So I think this idea of hunting
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once you throw man, into the mix on the side of pray, it really
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reaches that philosophical level.
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And just like Thriller novels, they can be just Kick-Ass.
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Action stories with really cool characters and badass stuff or
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like what? Vince Flynn did for the genre.
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They can go to this next level of political Intrigue or
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philosophical contemplation. I mean, think of like a Stan
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Hurley was it. If you're not getting busy,
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living your dying? What was the quote?
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What's the Stan Hurley line? It's something like I'm blanking
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to be a if you're not, if you're not getting busy living in your
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diet. Yeah, something like that.
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Yeah. If you're not busy, living your
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dying and I feel like dropping lines like that in a thriller
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novel. It just like, damn, that's
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awesome. And that's, I think obviously
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what richer Connells doing here with this Jaguar hunted Hunter
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conversation what it's kind of a ballsy way to open up because
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you might get people to think this is all kind of
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philosophical language and dialogue and you don't open up
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with some action, right? But all throughout part one,
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starting with the boat scene with Whitney.
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I really like this slow build-up.
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This kind of slow reveal of the hunt, like what the most
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dangerous game means on a deeper level.
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We're really having to build to that and that kind of leads to
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the part 2. I would call part to the
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encounter with generals arav and the conversation over dinner.
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And if the conversation with Whitney was like a snippet of
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that kind of talk among friends, it's elevated.
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Then when we move into the Chateau, or the castle and over
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dinner, generals are of is being really quiet and playing this
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game talking about this animal. He hunts, I really love that
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transition from the talk with Whitney to here and we see that
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through Rainsford eyes because Rainsford says to Whitney in the
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beginning, there are only two types of people, the Hunter and
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the hunties. And he says you and I my friend,
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luckily, you and I are the hunters.
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So he almost has this bravado this hubris about him, but
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that's while he is on the hunter side, once he's put in the shoes
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of the Hunty. That mindsets got to change.
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You become the jaguar and you were just saying the Jaguar
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lives in the survival Instinct. He almost has to do that as a
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man just purely switch it to survival Instinct Yet, I guess
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to caveat my question or even when he's questioned a little
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bit further. It's like, fear can be broken
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down into like two different kinds of fears.
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You know, you have animalistic fear or this is instinctive fear
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and like really bizarre of gets into this idea of Reason versus
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Instinct, right? This is what like, probably one
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of the main questions of the short story.
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Like and suggesting what draws the line between a hunter and a
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pray that you know, It's going to have both humans can have
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Instinct like and it's not just all reason and I think animals
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can also have, you know, I guess the question is, what is
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Instinct? And what is reason they live in
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the Instinct. They don't have the reason,
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right? But you know you get to like
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dogs. I don't know, like a, when does
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it when does it? Instinct become a reason.
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Well, it's like Pavlov's dog, right?
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Or a Pavlov's Bell and all that, or whatever.
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Was even though there's reasoning of, I want to get the
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treat. That's still an instinctual
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desire. That's just been trained or
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conditioned. Maybe that's the word, we're
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true. Rationality, I don't think is
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just the bell rings. I'm going to come and get my
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treat. You know, your reasoning that
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that's a logical conclusion. It's a deduction but it's still
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based on just this condition. And you're basically
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conditioning Your Instinct. I want the food.
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When I hear the Bell, that's my chance.
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I get it versus rationality and Consciousness is a whole
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different level of reasoning. You don't just automatically
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take the food, you think? What's the context of this?
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Who's giving the food food, poisoned?
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Do I like it? Do I not like it will.
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I share it with a buddy, you know?
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Is this a communal food? That's bringing people together.
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Is this a? Let's just grab it.
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Whoever gets it. First there are the winner.
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There's all these different social complexities and
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dimensions. And so even if Dog will reason,
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who the Bell means? I'm going to get food.
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It's still not that level of rationality, right?
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Then I guess you also can throw in Morality into the into the an
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Ethics, right? Right.
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Let's General valves ethics, right?
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Because once you start thinking about, you can reason your
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morals about why you do something.
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I'm going to do this because I believe in this, that goes far
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above instinctual experience, right?
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Right. And Zara, these and even has
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that line where he's like, Were hunting, the dregs of society,
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the people who fall off these boats or I capture the reason
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they're on the boats because they're already low men, you
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know, and he lists off a bunch of actually quite racist, you
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know, monikers of who he hunts, you know, he hunt this group and
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that group, the Chinese, the whatever.
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Yeah, when we should caveat and say that this, this came out in
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the late, nineteen twenty-four 24.
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It was written on a first published in coiler was a
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magazine. Was a magazine installment.
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Yeah, that's pretty cool. And then, so simple.
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But my, my, my point there though is obviously attitudes
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have changed, but that is written into Zara's character
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for a purpose. Oh yeah.
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In that room, his ethics and morality are I as a superior
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even puts whites on that list? Because you know, again, he
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centralizing himself as the cuff, sock as the stronger, the
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Ubermensch and everyone else, he lists off, which is pretty much
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all other races it, you know, In society, he says are inferior.
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And so I think that speaks less to the times.
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It certainly speaks to the times it's being written but I think
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it's more so speaking to Zara's view of the world which is there
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are classifications among men and he can be among the highest
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because he has power, you know, he has Authority and he what he
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thinks are skills, you know, to capture these people and kill
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these people and and physical power over them.
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Is what classifies you like, physical imposed moment of
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power, classifies people, and their social status.
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And I so I think that's written into his character on purpose,
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which Jack also does because I do want to talk connections to
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Savage Sun, where Alexander is importing people from the CIA
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are from Central African Republic, right?
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And so that's the reason I bring it up is that language while
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completely out of, you know, it's wrong.
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It's quite frankly racist language.
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I think the way it was written into General Zod, Of is captured
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when Jack writes that into Alexander as he's basically
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importing people and trafficking people from CA are to hunt,
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right? What did you think of the dinner
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scene in the car? His initial conversations with
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sorrow once he gets, you know, obviously, he falls off the boat
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washes, ashore. Here's these gunshots is
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intrigued. I think it's kind of weird.
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Is the greensward is intrigued by these gunshots.
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He's pulled towards it. Yeah, he thinks to when he falls
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off the boat, I'm gonna swim towards the gunshots.
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That must be the hunter in him, you know, like a trying to
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understand what's going on with this, you know, he almost, you
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can blame him 100% for putting himself in the situation.
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Yeah. And this dinner conversation.
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It just reminds me so many times.
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It's written. It's probably one of the best
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like written parts of it. You know, like the scenes in
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movies or TV shows where you get the antagonist in the
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protagonist together, you know. Like this this seam right here
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is one of the best of pitting, two foes against each other and
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in this is their first meeting, he doesn't even realize mean.
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I'm sure he has like a suspicion of like what is this guy doing?
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And then finally, he puts together the pieces that oh,
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he's not hunting. He's bored a hunting, the prey.
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And He realize what he's saying that he's actually hunting
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humans. I don't know this the dinner
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scene written prose wise is, you know probably some of the best
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that coddled put in this, you know, paksas the upset packs.
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This what is she 17 Pages, you know?
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Yeah, right. Yeah, this whole story 17 pages
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and there's so much the dinner scene is the Cornerstone of the
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story which is crazy to say because it's obviously
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remembered for the hunt and the actual hunt and the ending is
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fantastic, but I really do think there's a Peaceful and
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intentional drawing out and lengthening out this dinner
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scene, because the dialogue there is the Cornerstone of the
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story. It really is.
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It's not just the action at the end, which is actually quite
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quick a matter of maybe, three to four pages, right?
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Exactly the bulk of this 50, 60 % of the story is right here at
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this dinner table and that's slow.
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Build is just so good as a literary device because he heard
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three gunshots earlier. So as a hunter, he already
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knows. You're taking down something
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big, right, and then he finds a 22 casing.
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It's like, hmm, must be big game, right?
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I wonder why they bring such a small caliber weapon and take
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three shots to finish him. Then he sees the brush, that's
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kind of scattered. He's like, whoa, that's a big
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creature. That was kind of hiding under
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this brush with this Trail. So we're thinking it's a big
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creature and then there's a couple other things building
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throughout the dialogue where he says Ivan is it from a Savage
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Race. A Cossack you just like me.
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So we got some hint that this guy is calling himself in his
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race, a Savage. And then he's enjoying the
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dinner and it's a really nice dinner but he says there's
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something off about the way. Generals are of is staring at
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him and like sizing him up. The quote was a praising him
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narrowly with his eyes. He's talking about the Cape,
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buffalo is the most dangerous, a big game and Zara says, oh no
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there's more dangerous game right here on this island.
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It's not natural. I stock it.
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Oh, the thrill and hunting Tigers.
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Now, there's no real danger in hunting Tigers.
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He says I've done a rare thing. I've invented a new sensation,
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then it ends up with quote quarry with which I can match my
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wits. Right.
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Exactly. And that's when he realizes.
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Yeah, exactly. And he realizes wait a minute,
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that's the line I can match my wits.
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And once rationality comes up, we're like, oh, man, and Sanger
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Rainsford is starting to Put the pieces together.
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We as the reader are putting the pieces together and then finally
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the reveal is the line you said earlier about Instinct.
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Animal only has legs and his Instinct but instinct is no
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match for reason, courage, cunning, and above all else, it
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must be able to reason and there is one animal that can.
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That's when we know as the reader and Zara of knows he's
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getting into some deep deep doo-doo right here.
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Oh yeah, that's what you know. We immediately understand the
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Crux of the story and what the most dangerous game is going to
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be, I like the another title, the hounds of Tsar.
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Oh yes, that's a cool. Local title, there's a
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connection to Jack Jack, wrote the dogs.
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So clearly into the Siberia scenes of savage sun and the
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hounds here, play a very integral role, right?
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All right, so we gotta get into the hot man part 3.
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Yeah, we kinda already touched on it a little bit in terms of
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trying to understand why Zara would let him go.
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Obviously, it's his hubris and we see connections to that, with
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Alexander, in terms of under estimating as well.
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Obviously, he doesn't think that I had mentioned in this on the
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Savage, Sun pot, how he doesn't think that James Reese is going
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to be able to eat. His guys are going to take care
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of him. I don't even need to worry about
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him, coming for me. And that ultimately, it was town
00:20:34
hall and then you get, you know, he the quicksand was cool, you
00:20:41
know, just the various traps that he sets up, losing them
00:20:43
with a knife. And then finally, like, I
00:20:46
actually asked how I really wish, I didn't know the ending,
00:20:50
and I didn't remember it until Tyler had mentioned that or
00:20:55
maybe was you mentioned that? He's in the me, he's in the room
00:21:00
because as I'm reading I'm like, wait is Rainsford.
00:21:02
I, and then I remembered You said and I was like, he doesn't
00:21:05
like Zach. I think upon reading this you're
00:21:07
supposed to take it at like he's dead, he jumps off the cliff to,
00:21:11
you know, get away whatever on her into the water and has arms
00:21:16
one. And But ultimately he didn't and
00:21:19
I love, I love the ending where he says, this is the most not
00:21:24
what, I'm not as good as close with you.
00:21:26
I need to save him. What does he say about this is
00:21:29
the most comfortable bed that I'll ever sleep in.
00:21:32
Because that's That's what because that's what azzaro says
00:21:35
to him, right, dude, let me read this ending because you're 100%
00:21:38
right. If call me Ishmael is like one
00:21:41
of the most iconic openings of a book or anything in literature,
00:21:44
you know, Moby Dick. This right here has to be one of
00:21:47
the most iconic endings in all of literature.
00:21:50
So listen to this. Rainsford Scream the general,
00:21:53
how in God's name. Did you get in here?
00:21:56
Swam said Rainsford. I found a quicker than walking
00:21:59
through the Jungle. The general sucked in his breath
00:22:01
and smiled. I congratulate you.
00:22:03
He said, you have won the Game. Rainsford did not smile.
00:22:08
I am still a beast at Bay. He said, in a low hoarse voice.
00:22:12
Get ready. Generals aarav The general made
00:22:16
one of his deepest boughs. I see he said, Splendid one of
00:22:21
us is to furnish a repast for the hounds, the other will sleep
00:22:25
in this very excellent bed, en garde Rainsford He had never
00:22:30
slept in a better bed, Rainsford decided.
00:22:33
It's just like perfect ending. Yeah, Zara fed to the hounds.
00:22:39
It's brilliant. He what so exactly.
00:22:42
Yep and he enjoyed that bad. What a perfect little short
00:22:45
story. Man, it's great, it's great.
00:22:47
Yeah, I want to get into a couple more of the connections,
00:22:51
I found between this and Savage Sun, just while we're on the
00:22:54
hunt, I think the really cool things that Rafe is doing, and
00:22:57
even that Hannah did before him to try to hide their Trail or
00:23:01
double back, double back and All that right.
00:23:03
That happens here. He covers up his footsteps.
00:23:06
He's like only the devil would be able to follow this in a
00:23:09
rational way and find me up in this tree and then Zara finds
00:23:12
him. So I love that line of like only
00:23:14
the devil could do this and then he did it.
00:23:17
You also got the mail, a man catcher from Malacca, and I love
00:23:21
how he uses these strategies where this fallen over tree.
00:23:24
He set a trap that the tree will fall on you when you walk under
00:23:27
it and Zara recognized the the move, he's like, oh, the melee
00:23:32
man catcher. So, it's kind of showing this
00:23:34
Insider info for people. Well, trained and well versed in
00:23:38
this kind of stuff. And same with the trapdoor and
00:23:41
the pit with the spikes and szarvas, like a ha Burmese tiger
00:23:45
pit and a killed one of his dogs.
00:23:48
Then, lastly, how he actually gets Ivan is that Rings bird,
00:23:51
builds a native Ugandan trap where he ties back a sapling
00:23:55
with the knife. And so, I just love those little
00:23:58
hints and one after the other. After the other showing you
00:24:02
Rainsford skills, kind of like putting him on par with a Rafe
00:24:05
or res. Like, we know, this guy's got
00:24:08
the skills, we are Ready. Know, he's an accomplished
00:24:10
writer because our says he's read his articles on Hunting the
00:24:15
same way. Wraith, writes, articles under
00:24:17
the pen name Rainsford. We know Rainsford wrote about
00:24:20
the hunt in magazines because szarvas read him, his published
00:24:23
work. I'm just loving all these
00:24:26
things. It's it's such a joy and and for
00:24:28
Jack to make it his own set it in Siberia instead of this
00:24:32
Brazilian island off the Caribbean.
00:24:34
I think it's just really cool how he was clearly inspired by
00:24:39
the The story. Also did you get any?
00:24:42
Like Ivan is Sergei Vibes and that certain of course, right
00:24:46
exactly. They're both kind of this
00:24:47
indigenous or more native group to Russia and yet.
00:24:51
He's a massive man. The way his size is imposing
00:24:55
strength is displayed reminded me exactly like Sergei Do Jack.
00:25:01
I'm glad Jack decided to basis, Savage, son of this, it's, you
00:25:05
know, great short story and one of the better adaptations of it
00:25:08
because I've seen a couple, I don't know if you saw that quit
00:25:11
anything. I was really bored during a
00:25:13
lockdown and so I downloaded Quimby, it was like clippies
00:25:16
belonged in March of 2020 and then they had like a Liam
00:25:21
Hemsworth, Most Dangerous Game movie that, you know, how Kobe
00:25:23
work. It was like quick bites.
00:25:26
Oh, they would sure like these movies, like a bomb.
00:25:29
Now, they're like seven minute episodes five to seven minute
00:25:33
episodes. And then every day or every like
00:25:36
a couple days, they would post an episode and it was like a
00:25:39
movie, literally a movie that was just chopped up in the, like
00:25:42
700k minute episodes. And so they had Christopher
00:25:46
Waltz at play, in the Czar of and then, Liam Hemsworth, Liam,
00:25:50
Hemsworth. The, the lesser of the Hemsworth
00:25:53
brothers, playing like a rains for and like they really they
00:25:58
get pitted into this. Yeah.
00:26:00
They put all these people on an island who had, you know, have
00:26:03
money issues and they have to hunt each other and kill each
00:26:05
other, and it's more so like he. And finally, at the very end, he
00:26:08
has to kill, you know. So so, but doesn't this story,
00:26:12
they weren't just making a film of this know.
00:26:15
Called The Most Dangerous Game. And it was it was adapted and
00:26:18
inspired by, it sounds like a Hunger Games or yeah, that's
00:26:23
weak. I think there's been a few film
00:26:25
adaptations of this but I don't know of any modern ones like I
00:26:30
know there were older ones yeah the just pull it up on. 1932
00:26:36
there was a movie 1961, there's been a lot of like slightly, a
00:26:42
lot of movies have been inspired by Buy it.
00:26:46
It's in the public domain. Now, I think since 2020, because
00:26:50
it came out so long ago, which means anybody could make film it
00:26:54
now, you know, and make money off of it.
00:26:57
There's a movie that came out last year called the most
00:27:00
dangerous game. It's a remake.
00:27:03
Is it of this plot, though? Singer Rainsford bearing hello.
00:27:07
Marcus Rainsford a little Ivan 3.5 out of 10 on IMDb.
00:27:14
I don't even know who Tom Berenger.
00:27:16
I know Judd, Nelson is interesting.
00:27:20
Kasparov and died. I don't know any of these people
00:27:24
who made this. I don't know.
00:27:27
That's a pretty bad score right there, though.
00:27:29
He has. It's a really bad feeling so
00:27:31
won't be checking I want out. An 38% audience score.
00:27:37
Fewer than 50 ratings though. So what about the original?
00:27:40
What about 1932 one? Don't know.
00:27:42
I wonder. Oh, dude, this movie put it in
00:27:45
Alaska, which is interesting. Director was Justin Lee we ever
00:27:50
hear of him Mill Creek entertainment.
00:27:52
No idea what that is. IMDb is a 7.1.
00:27:59
Okay, on the older one, that's the one from the 30s.
00:28:02
Yeah, I don't know. I think now that this is in the
00:28:06
public domain though, I think we're going to see, we're going
00:28:10
to see something made of it at some point.
00:28:13
Yeah. Hopefully it will.
00:28:14
Ya buy big Studio? Let me go.
00:28:18
Well, should we talk more short stories?
00:28:22
Sometimes do a little short story pot.
00:28:24
Now, just get the, you know, we might have a spin-off series
00:28:26
here if you're willing to edit it and put hours into getting
00:28:28
these things ready, everybody say Chris, maybe we'll see how
00:28:33
my new house with four kids goes.
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